Lordmonkus Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Mame 195 just came out so that means in 5 months time we will be getting 200 so in celebration I was thinking it would be a perfect time to compile a No Filler Version 2 set. Yeah I know 5 months seems like a long ways out but I wanna get a head start on making the lists. This is gonna take some prep work and I am gonna do this from scratch instead of using the existing No Filler lists. I also wanted to make this a community effort so people can give their opinions on what games to include. When listing the games you would like to see included please separate them using the categories below. Should the list be capped to prevent too much bloat ? 500 / 750 / 1000 ? Should I use the Split, Merged or Non Merged rom set ? After discussing this with some people I have decided to use the Non Merged set. I realize that this will require a larger download to use the batch file on but the pay off will be a more streamlined and easier to manage set since every game rom will be self contained. I won't be including anything that requires a CHD because I simply won't be downloading a CHD set for testing. Of course though if someone else wants to take the final lists and edit them to include any CHD files they would be more than welcome to do so. Nor will I be including anything that requires non standard joystick controls such as light guns, trackballs, spinners or steering wheels / yokes. Once the lists are done I will download the 200 set that is chosen, create the batch files and test it all to make sure it all works and then upload the batch file/s for everyone to use. I would love to be able to upload and provide a download for a fully filtered set but obviously for legal reasons I would not be able to do this openly and I simply don't have the internet speed to be able to upload it. ************************************************************** How to use this: First you will need to download the Non-Merged rom set that the batch file was made with, using a different set than the bat file was intended for may or may not cause incompatibilities in roms. Then simply copy the batch file into the folder with all of the roms and double click the bat file, it will make a new folder within that folder and copy all of the roms into that newly created folder. From there you can copy that new folder of roms to anywhere you like and import them into Launchbox, be sure to update your rom path in your mame.ini to point this rom set location. You can now do whatever you like with your full set you downloaded, it is no longer needed for the NoFiller set to function, though you may want to keep a backup just in case. Here is the up to date batch, spreadsheet, text list of roms and text list of games files: NoFiller v2 - 200.bat NoFiller v2 - 200.ods NoFiller v2 - 200.txt NoFiller v2 - 200 - Games List.txt There is currently 434 rom files in the set with some duplicate games for arcade games that have 2 and 4/6 player roms such as TMNT, Gauntlet and X-Men. If you have a seedbox and a PleasureDome account you can download the Non-Merged set to your seedbox server and then using WinSCP you can copy paste the text list of roms into the filter. That will only show you all the files in the list for easy download to your home computer without having to download the full Non-Merged set which is over 100 gigs, the full NoFiller v2 set is 3.6 gigs. If you have a seedbox and use this filter method you can easily update your romset without any hassle, WinSCP will compare the files and only download updated and / or new files. I will not be providing updated playlists for these, that will take too much effort. Maybe if Jason allows a way to see if a game is associated with a playlist I might do that in the future but for now with no way of knowing it's really time consuming. Games that have more than 1 rom file for 2 player or split screen variant. darius2 (3 screen) darius2d (2 screen) gauntlet (4 player) gauntlet2p (2 player) tmnt (4 player) tmnt2pj (2 player) xmen (4 player, 1 screen, pick any character) xmen6pu (6 player, 2 screen, coin slot determines character) Games that have problems importing into LB, will need to be imported individually. Akai Katana - akatana.zip Crossed Swords 2 - crswd2bl.zip KaGeKi - kagekiu.zip Sailormoon - sailormnnu.zip Wrestlefest - wwfwfestu.zip Bonus: As a bonus here is a NeoGeo NoFiller batch copy file. It will copy out 63 NeoGeo rom files so you can have a separate NeoGeo NoFiller rom set to import to its own platform. There will be quite a bit of overlap with the Mame set since that has 45 of the 63 games that this one copies out. NeoGeo NoFiller.bat NeoGeo NoFiller.ods NeoGeo NoFiller Roms List.txt NeoGeo NoFiller Games List.txt Will I be updating this in the future ? Maybe. I certainly won't be updating this on a monthly basis and more importantly I wont be updating it for a couple of games. I have provided a good solid foundation of games here for anyone to start out with and it is very easy to maintain and build your own set upon. I also provided the necessary tools tools to maintain and update your own sets, the bat file and spreadsheet files are all you really need. Using the rom file text list with WinSCP today I was able to update my romset in 2 minutes from my seedbox, very quick and painless updating. This is now continued over in the Third Party Apps and Plugins downloads: 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 Updated the list which can be found on page 5 of this thread. ===Beat Em Up / Hack and Slash=== Alien Storm Alien Vs Predator Altered Beast Armored Warriors Asterix Battle Circuit Battletoads Bucky O'Hare Cadillacs and Dinosaurs Captain America Captain Commando Denjin Makai Die Hard Arcade Double Dragon Double Dragon II Dungeons & Dragons SOM & TOD Dungeon Magic Final Fight Gaia Crusaders Ganryu Golden Axe Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder Growl Guardians / Denjin Makai II Hook Kageki King of Dragons Knights of the Round Magic Sword Michael Jacksons Moonwalker New Zero Team Night Slashers Ninja Baseball Bat Man Ninja Gaiden Ninja Spirit Ninja Warriors OS Man P.O.W. Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon PuLiRuLa Punisher Ring King / King of Boxer Rastan Renegade Sengoku 2 Simpsons 2p & 4p Spiderman Splatterhouse Strider Superman The Cliffhanger - Edward Randy The Gladiator Thunder Fox TMNT 2p & 4p TMNT Turtles in Time 2p & 4p Undercover Cops Vigilante Violent Storm Warrior Blade / Rastan Saga Warriors of Fate X-Men 2p & 6p ===Shoot Em Up Horizontal=== Akai Katana Blazing Star Bookie Wings Carrier Airwing Cosmic Cop Cotton Cotton 2 Cotton Boomerang Darius Darius II Darius Gaiden Deathsmiles Dragon Breed Gradius / Nemesis Hellfire Hyper Duel In The Hunt Last Resort Metal Black Parodious DA! Prehistoic Isle 2 Pink Sweets Progear R-Type R-Type II R-Type Leo Salamander 2 Side Arms Silk Worm UN Squadron Viewpoint X Multiply Zero Wing ===Shoot Em Up Vertical=== 1941 1942 1943 1943: Kai 1944 19XX Aero Fighters / Sonic Wings (series) Air Gallet Armed Formation Armed Police Batrider Batsugun Battle Bakraid Battle Garegga Change Air Blade Daioh Dimahoo DoDonPachi DoDonPachi II DonPachi Dogyuun Dragon Blaze Dragon Saber Dragon Spirit ESP RA Deathsmiles Espgaluda Espgaluda II Fever SOS Fighting Hawk FixEight Gekirindan Ghost Pilots Giga Wing Grind Stormer G-Stream G2020 Gunbird Gunbird II Gunlock Guwange Ibara Ketsui Kingdom Grand Prix Legendary Wings Macross Plus Mars Matrix Mazinger Z Muchi Muchi Pork Mushihime-Sama Pulstar Radiant Silvergun *not really working well enough Raiden Raiden II Raiden DX Raystorm Samurai Aces Sky Shark Sienryu Sorcer Striker Soukyugurentai / Terra Diver Strikers 1945 (series) Tiger Heli Truxton Truxton II / Tatsujin Oh Twin Cobra Vapor Trail Varth Vasara Vasara 2 Wivern Wings ===Platformer=== Bionic Commando Black Tiger Blue's Journey Bombjack Bonanza Bros Cadash Cabeman Ninja / Joe & Mac Elevator Action II E-Swat Ghosts'n Goblins Ghouls'n Ghosts Legend of Hero Tonma Magician Lord Marvel Land Psychic 5 Rygar Shadow Dancer Shinobi Tiger Road Trojan Willow Wonderboy Wonderboy III Monster Lair Wonderboy Monster Land ===Puzzle=== Bubble Bobble Bubble Bobble 2 Burger Time Buster Bros / Super Buster Bros Columns Gunbarich Joe & Mac Returns Klax Magical Drop Nightmare in the Dark Puzzle Bobble (series ?) Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo Qiz Tetris Volfied ===Run N Gun=== Alien Syndrome Aliens Caliber .50 Contra & Super Contra Cyber-Lip Dead Connection Demon Front Gangbusters GI Joe Gunforce Gun Force II Gunsmoke Gundhara Metal Slug (series) Mercs Midnight Resistance Mystic Warriors Narc Out Zone Psycho-Nics Oscar Robocop Robocop 2 Robotron 2084 Rolling Thunder Sly Spy / Secret Agent Smash TV Space Dungeons Sunset Riders Three Wonders Total Carnage Wild West Cowboys of Moo Mesa Xenophobe ===Sports=== 1000 Miglia: Great 1000 Miles Rally Baseball Stars 2 Capcom Sports Club Champion Wrestler Heavy Smash League Bowling Mach Breakers Mat Mania / Exciting Hour Mania Challenge NBA Jam Neo Turf Masters Pengo Pigskin 621AD Ring of Destruction: Slam Masters 2 Saturday Night Slammasters Snow Bros Super Sidekicks 3 Tecmo Bowl WWF Superstars WWF Wrestlefest Wind Jammers ===VS Fighting=== Breakers Revenge Cyberbots Darkstalkers Fatal Fury Special Garou - Mark of the Wolves Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire Karate Champ King of Fighters 98 and 2002 King of the Monsters 2 Marvel Vs Capcom Marvel Super Heroes Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter Mortal Kombat (series ?) Ninja Masters Rage of the Dragons Real Bout Fatal Fury Special Rival Schools Samurai Shodown (series) SNK Vs Capcom Soul Edge Street Fighter (Hyper Street Fighter II: The Anniversary Edition) Street Fighter Alpha (series) Street Smart Super Gem Fighter Tekken 3 The Last Blade 2 Violence Fight World Heroes Perfect X-Men Children of the Atom ===Classics=== Asteroids Deluxe Berzerk Bosconian Burger Time Defender (maybe, funky controls) Defender II / Stargate (maybe, funky controls) Dig Dug Donkey Kong Donky Kong Jr Elevator Action Fantasy Zone Frenzy Frogger Front Line Galaga Galaga 3 Galaxian Gorf Gravitar Gyruss Joust Joust 2 Jr Pac Man Jungle Hunt Kangaroo Kung Fu Master Lady Bug Lode Runner Lunar Lander Mappy Mario Bros Moon Patrol Mr. Do Ms Pac Man New Rally X Pac Man Phoenix Punch Out Rainbow Islands Rally X Satans Hollow Scramble Sinistar Skykid Solar Fox Space Invaders Tapper Time Pilot Time Pilot 84 Vanguard Venture Wizard of Wor Zaxxon Zoo Keeper ===Misc=== Not sure what category to put them in Blood Brothers Cabal Crackdown Crossed Swords Crossed Swords II Gain Ground Gauntlet 2p & 4p Gauntlet II 2p & 4p Metamoqester Monster Maulers Nitroball Outfoxies Paperboy Rampage Toobin Top Gunner / Jackal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectral Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Not sure if it is possible but is it possible to have it get rid of games with certain controls. For example if all you have is an arcade stick you could get rid of all the light gun, trackball, paddle,etc games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yeah, thanks for reminding me of that. I meant to put in that I won't be including any games that require uncommon controls or workarounds to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 I put up my initial list as a starting point, feel free to suggest games to add to the list or even say why certain games I have on the current list shouldn't be on the list. What I have there right now is preliminary and will be refined over the next few months while we wait for the 200 release. I also added to the original post asking whether or not there should be a cap on the total number of games to prevent bloat, please give your thoughts on it. Should the list only contain 1 game per series ? EG: Mortal Kombat, have all 3 games or just 1, same with King of Fighters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectral Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) One idea. For games like TMNT maybe include both the 4p and 2p versions. The reason being on the 2p version you use a character select to pick the char. On the 4p you have to push 1-4p start and most people don't have that many controllers or all 4 mapped to a single controller. Edited March 2, 2018 by spectral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yup, agreed. Edited list to reflect 2p, 4p and 6p (X-Men) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectral Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) I really like this idea. Mame is so unwieldly and cluttered. I have 0.185 atm and have slowly been going through trying to decide what to keep and what to trash. But I don't really know enough to trash any without trying them first so it is taking forever. Even the ones I'm keeping are only preliminary. I have a quick go decide if it has any potential, if so keep if not trash. Then its going to need a second pass with more playtime for each. Edited March 2, 2018 by spectral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 There is already a No Filler batch file to pull out a set of roms here on the forums in the downloads section but it is a little out of date now since it was made for the 170 split rom set. I hoping to get some feed back on what set people would like to see this one be based on, iI'm personally leaning towards the Non Merged set. Non Merged Pros: 1 game 1 rom and no reliance on parent roms Cons: Initial download size will be quite large (over 100 gigs). Merged Pros: Smaller download, all games and variants, upcoming better support for them in Launchbox Cons: Still would be a tad clunky dealing with a menu to pick which game to load. Split Pros: Smaller download, easily customized Cons: Extra work making sure all the parents and clones are included 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectral Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) Yeah plus didn't some files for the audio in capcom games and such change after somewhere around 180? I suspect too much has changed now to make those reliable. I tend to go with non merged. Big but unless you want to keep the multiple versions of the same game it makes deleteing the unwanted ones much safer, you cant accidentally delete a parent rom. Plus storage is cheap enough these days that 100-150GB isn't really that huge anymore. I have the folder in LB I'm deleting things from and a separate backup of the entire set in case I delete something I later decide I want. I think I'll still keep this one for the time being even if I end up using your list when 200 comes out. As tedious as going through them can be, It has led me to try some I didn't even know about that look interesting. Also I used to play P.O.W. when I was little and coudn't remember the name just the bit at the start where you blow up the door. I was so happy when I randomly loaded it up and recognised it, I've been wanting to know what it was for years. Edited March 2, 2018 by spectral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yeah there were some changes made with the Qsound.zip file and the .key file being required in the CPS-2 stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon57 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I personally use a split set. I hesitate voting for a merged set because I have to be careful of an Internet cap each month. I come close to exceeding the cap way too often as it is. Having said that, I fully support whatever the majority decide. This is a wonderful effort. I personally think that the number of separate items should not exceed 500. I know I used to only use an updated version of the MAME 0.139 set which is much smaller than what we have today in a full, up to date set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOS76 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 You mean non merged then merged is actually smaller than split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yeah I currently use a split set as well and i'm not set on either of the formats right yet at all so hopefully more people will chime in with their choice, each set has their own pros and cons. I like the idea of the Non Merged set because it is so clean and in theory once the set is curated it should be smaller, neater, easier to manage and add new games into after the fact. But the initial download on the Non Merged is a pig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOS76 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 well basically if you set it up for split it is already setup to work with nonmerged also and really if there are clones in the list and also the parents it would work with merged also since those clones will just be inside the parent rom so it probably won't matter all that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon57 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, DOS76 said: You mean non merged then merged is actually smaller than split. You are correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadMan007 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Awesome idea, I love your first set! I've been using split for years at this point, but I think I'd prefer a Non-Merged set more as the extra 40ish gigs is nothing now-a-days. Even here in America with our trash speeds and bandwidth caps, 40 gigs isn't really a whole whole lot. if not Non Megered, Split I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 The large download of the Non Merged set is going to be a consideration. Even though I have no download caps my internet speed is not great so it will take me a few days to get it all. I just looked at the 195 Non Merged set on pleasuredome and it's 110 gigs. I'm hoping when Jason does his Mame overhaul and support for Merged sets he's able to let us easily set the default rom to load. If he can do that I think I might go with the Merged set. Either way though, what set I end up going with is not decided upon so I definitely want to hear what people have to say on the matter. I also would like to get peoples opinions on what to do about game series. Should this batch pull out entire series of games or just the "best" game of the series. For example all 3 Mortal Kombat or just one, other examples would be Metal Slug, King of Fighters and Samurai Shodown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectral Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) I tend to be a fan of having an entire series. That said I'm not sure that is the best option here. This is a no filler list and I think a lot of that stuff is so similar having a bunch of them could very much feel like filler. I don't think there is a one rule fits all solution here. I think you're going to have to make judgement calls on which entries in a series deserve to be there or if you are unsure maybe put it too a vote. I think it should also depends on how many entries a series has too. I don't see a problem with MK1,2, 3 and 4 for example. each entry has significant differences. However for Street fighter I think some would need pruning., definitely so for King of Fighters and Guilty Gear. Edited March 2, 2018 by spectral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 Yeah that's what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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