Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Hi all, I wanted to share some news about LaunchBox on Android; I have some good news and some bad news, so I'll start with the bad news. Unfortunately, we will be stopping development on Android for the time being. Android has not at all been good to us, and here are just a few reasons why: Our income on Android has only been around 5% of our total income, with the rest of our income coming from LaunchBox Premium on the desktop. With Google taking 30% of that, we only stand to make $3.50 per copy sold. Though the income is low, our development effort requirements for Android are about the same as for the Windows applications. It doesn't really make sense for us to be spending half of our development time on the project, while only making a 5% return. We've been massively disappointed in the software restrictions on Android. We wanted to be able to run import processes in the background, but that turned out to be impossible due to over-zealous battery-saving restrictions. We wanted to be able to easily allow users to add their own custom emulators, but it turned out to not be easy at all due to Android's poor design for launching other applications. Those are just a couple examples of the restrictions that we're constantly slamming into on Android. Android is *not* an open platform. In fact, Windows is *far* more open than Android. The Google Play Store is really the only viable way to release apps on Android, and red tape is everywhere. The Amazon App Store is also available of course, but both stores have similar issues, and no app can flourish on Android without being in the stores. We have so much more flexibility on the desktop, and for that reason we would much prefer to focus on it. There are major concerns regarding the future of emulation on Android at all. Google has begun severely restricting the ability to share files between applications for security reasons, and it’s already affecting users who are running Android 11. They’ve been pushing for these changes for quite a while now, but they’re a poor solution and they wreak havoc on emulation, because they disallow sending ROM files from a frontend to an emulator, amongst other things. This was the straw that broke the camel’s back for us. All that said, we will be stopping development on Android for the time being and focusing our efforts 100% back to the desktop applications. We actually had some really cool features in the works, including wheel and CoverFlow views, but since we’re not even sure if frontends will work at all with future versions of Android, we’ve decided to set it all aside for now. We will be taking LaunchBox for Android off of the Play Store here shortly, as we don’t want to mislead users. It is possible that we could come back to Android at some point, but this is our plan for the time being. Now for the good news: LaunchBox Premium and Big Box on the desktop are doing better than ever, and we are super excited about recent and future developments. We can’t wait to get the new MAME community high scores features out next week, as they’ve been super fun even just while in the betas. We also have some amazing ideas that we can’t wait to jump on. Lastly, if you’re dead-set on Android for emulation, there is a new frontend out that looks very good called RESET Collection. We can’t say if and how they’ll get around Android’s upcoming security restrictions, but we do wish them all the best. Thanks to everyone for your support with all of our projects, and we do apologize for having to disappoint Android users here. At this point, we strongly feel that we are best supporting this community by focusing on the desktop, so that is what we will do going forward. 13 5 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pyrre 2 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Sad about all the hurdles with Android! Although I never used it I bought it to support you, sad you get so little income from it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Pyrre said: Sad about all the hurdles with Android! Although I never used it I bought it to support you, sad you get so little income from it Thanks for the support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ItchyRobot 57 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 This sucks, but I understand. I have been reading a lot of similar issues with other developers when using 11. I so wish Microsoft's mobile OS did not fail. I was hoping the openness of the Windows platform could be brought over to mobile phones... but they missed that boat. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, ItchyRobot said: This sucks, but I understand. I have been reading a lot of similar issues with other developers when using 11. I so wish Microsoft's mobile OS did not fail. I was hoping the openness of the Windows platform could be brought over to mobile phones... but they missed that boat. No kidding. I still feel like there's room for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ed20910 38 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 This sucks but is understandable. I game more on my pc but bought the Android version on release because of the quality of windows version in hopes of using it on my ShieldTV. Now that Android is gone, people will be wanting a Linux version instead. Lol Long live LB for Windows! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, ed20910 said: This sucks but is understandable. I game more on my pc but bought the Android version on release because of the quality of windows version in hopes of using it on my ShieldTV. Now that Android is gone, people will be wanting a Linux version instead. Lol Long live LB for Windows! Yeah, per Linux, I'm fairly certain we would run into some very similar issues on Linux, unfortunately (though obviously not the security restrictions issues). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalo_hvega 1 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 For those of us who already own and paid the app, will we be able to re-download in the future from our purchased app history? Thinking about replacing my tablet and want to make sure I can set everything back up again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, gonzalo_hvega said: For those of us who already own and paid the app, will we be able to re-download in the future from our purchased app history? Thinking about replacing my tablet and want to make sure I can set everything back up again. Yes, my understanding at least is that Google Play will continue to allow you to download and use the app if you've previously purchased it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thatman84 66 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Understandable tbf 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alucard205 14 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Well thank you for being honest and open about it. I have to say I am a little bummed, but I understand why you did it. If the project were to ever continue in the future, would I need to purchase a different app, or would my previous purchase have been enough? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Alucard205 said: Well thank you for being honest and open about it. I have to say I am a little bummed, but I understand why you did it. If the project were to ever continue in the future, would I need to purchase a different app, or would my previous purchase have been enough? Of course, if we do come back to it, we won't make anyone re-purchase it. That'd be pretty scum. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALIE 399 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Sucks but understandable. curious if the headache of development could be overcome. couldn't you just distribute it outside off google play. other then a guaranteed safety from virus and such for users. play store dont seem necessary. and i think most here trust you 😉... Edited April 12, 2020 by ALIE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gingerdilligaf 5 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Shame but thanks for recommending Reset Collection. Just installed it on my shield & it's a fantastic app. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hekwon 1 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Well this blows ... I was looking foward to android version something similar to big box on pc .. but it is what it is and it's understanble ... it's one of those moments of "what could of been" ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 6 hours ago, ALIE said: Sucks but understandable. curious if the headache of development could be overcome. couldn't you just distribute it outside off google play. other then a guaranteed safety from virus and such for users. play store dont seem necessary. and i think most here trust you 😉... The issues run a lot deeper than just the Play Store. Even if we weren't on the stores, we'd still have to contend with the upcoming security restrictions, which may end up killing frontends on Android anyways. That's the biggest problem; we don't want to invest time into a questionable platform. We will probably re-evaluate once things settle down a bit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALIE 399 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jason Carr said: The issues run a lot deeper than just the Play Store. Even if we weren't on the stores, we'd still have to contend with the upcoming security restrictions, which may end up killing frontends on Android anyways. That's the biggest problem; we don't want to invest time into a questionable platform. We will probably re-evaluate once things settle down a bit. That is understandable.. Here's looking forward to LaunchBox for Windows continuing to become better as always 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bundangdon 303 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 What a bummer, but certainly understandable. While I appreciate the recommended app as a replacement, at this point I'm not sure if I want to invest in Reset Collection, given the circumstances that frontends will not be able to run properly on future versions of Android. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason Carr 6,326 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 hours ago, bundangdon said: What a bummer, but certainly understandable. While I appreciate the recommended app as a replacement, at this point I'm not sure if I want to invest in Reset Collection, given the circumstances that frontends will not be able to run properly on future versions of Android. Yeah, I'm not sure I would either, to be honest. A lot of that is up in the air. As far as I know, the only "solution" for it depends on Google reviewing an app and providing it with "special" permissions (for example, for File Manager apps). So my understanding is that the current system will require Google to approve it, and who knows whether they'll approve an emulation frontend to have those special permissions. It's also unclear whether both the frontend and the emulators would require these permissions, or just the frontends. It's a mess. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneOfaKindDPC 2 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Wow, this is devastating. I've been in love with this product since it hit the play store and have been eagerly waiting for an update to add dos games, scummvm, and fix a few bugs. I didn't think it needed much else. Best of luck going forward, I can only hope something changes down the road to bring new life to the project. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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