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Just caught wind of this today.  Had no idea as I purchased it purely to support the team.  Now I can remove it from my shield. 
 

that being said, does nobody stream?  I launch big box through the steam link app and poof.  I have the big box experience on my tv or smart device. 
 

I “think” this is even possible outside the network, connections withstanding.  Steam remote play is really robust.  There’s even moonlight if you want to use Nvidias gamestream. 
 

Wouldn’t know though.  I’m old.  I don’t leave and if I do it’s certainly not to sit on a curb and bust out my phone for some retro gaming.  WTB time machine. 

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On 5/21/2020 at 6:27 PM, klepp0906 said:

that being said, does nobody stream?  I launch big box through the steam link app and poof.  I have the big box experience on my tv or smart device. 

i grabbed one of those 1€ Steam Links when they were getting rid of their inventory, i don't really use it much but having the option for just 1€ is really nice,
getting it set up for the first time was a PITA though, there is some really clunky stuff.  
2 essential tips for LaunchBox/BigBox are: bring a BlueTooth KB+M or you'll do a lot of walking back and forth between TV and PC.  
And you will want to disable that mode in Steam Big Picture mode where your gamepad emulates a mouse on the right stick when the app you launch through Steam loses focus (which happens every time Big Box launches an Emulator, that almost drove me crazy because none of the games were reacting right and it isn't instantly obvious what is happening).  

Too bad they discontinued the device, a Steam Link version 2 that supports 4K, 120Hz and FreeSync would have been nice, not that i would have use for it anytime soon.  

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3 minutes ago, Z3R0B4NG said:

Too bad they discontinued the device, a Steam Link version 2 that supports 4K, 120Hz and FreeSync would have been nice, not that i would have use for it anytime soon.  

They moved to a app instead, it is available on ios and Android, and therefore directly on smart TV's that use Android TV as the OS.

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44 minutes ago, neil9000 said:

They moved to a app instead, it is available on ios and Android, and therefore directly on smart TV's that use Android TV as the OS.

My Samsung TV is so old it can't do Netflix... what you are talking about is Science Fiction 😜

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Sad to here.  Hopefully things will change in the future in regards to the restrictions!
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Posted (edited)

I used to use steam link, however there are 2 problems, one of them being a serious PINA.

1. The image quality with steam link is noticably worse than using an hdmi cable. I'm usually not too concerend with having the best pissible image quality, but with steam link the colors just didn't pop. I didn't even have to A/B it. One day I just tried an hdmi cable and the differene was immediately apparent.

2. This is the problem that killed steam link for me. The input latency. I have a fairly powerful PC and internet, I connected the steam link via ethernet cable and tried many different settings. Input lag is not noticable in role playing games or so, but try playing super mario world, for example, and you really feel the input lag.

I tried to convince myself that it wasn't too bad, but the longer I played, the more it bothered me. Now I have 2 X 20 meter HDMI cables with an hdmi repeater running through my house. Now I have zero input lag and as a bonus, superb image quality.

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@SiriusVI

hmm... i didn't notice any input lag (i seem to be immune to that sensation anyway, F-Zero felt like it always did, Turtles in Time as well.), the picture also looked perfectly normal to me.  

40M HDMI cable?... ok that is a bit nuts, but then how do you handle input? My Bluetooth gamepad would not make it that far (heck i know for soure my WiFi does not make it that far, i had to setup a 2nd wifi router just as additional hot spot, even the WiFi repeater thingy doesn't make it through the thick walls in the middle of the House).  

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1 hour ago, Z3R0B4NG said:

@SiriusVI

hmm... i didn't notice any input lag (i seem to be immune to that sensation anyway, F-Zero felt like it always did, Turtles in Time as well.), the picture also looked perfectly normal to me.  

40M HDMI cable?... ok that is a bit nuts, but then how do you handle input? My Bluetooth gamepad would not make it that far (heck i know for soure my WiFi does not make it that far, i had to setup a 2nd wifi router just as additional hot spot, even the WiFi repeater thingy doesn't make it through the thick walls in the middle of the House).  

Yeah the input lag is there. maybe I'm too sensitive, but I did constantly miss jumps in Super Mario World and DKC, for example.

Well I don't use up all the 40 meters. it's actually just 30 meters of cable used. As for the input, well ... I also use a 20 meter USB cable, which connects to a usb hub. In that hub I have my xbox one controller stck, haha.

I don't know, but the input lag was just too much for me to handle.

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On 4/18/2020 at 1:54 AM, Jason Carr said:

Yup, at this point I agree that we should have never started it. But hindsight is 20/20. We started it because it was voted on by the community, and we always strive to do what the community wants. Unfortunately it ended up biting us, but it is what it is. Like I said, we may come back to it if Android gets past these growing pains.

@Jason Carr

Hi Jason, I'm a new user. I bought LB for Android in Dec 2019 just to run on my NVidia Shield... oddly never got around to installing Shield until yesterday -- and found this thread today. :(

I read this entire thread and understand & sympathize w/ your decision. Given your comments quoted above I was curious... what about making LB for Android a streaming app : Android "Client" to an LB for Windows "Server"?  This would be great for users with 'non-mobile' needs... like those of us with Android TV.  Google will be launching a new Android TV device this year so the user base will likely get much larger in the coming months.  With Client/Server, emulation is done on the Windows box and we use our Android TVs we love -- which are much easier to use than running a Windows PC as an HTPC + gaming system when we consider friend/family/guests that also might interact with it.  I ran a WinPC with Kodi and Retroarch for a year in my home theater... total nightmare

thx for considering

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On 7/11/2020 at 7:53 PM, Livin said:

@Jason Carr

Hi Jason, I'm a new user. I bought LB for Android in Dec 2019 just to run on my NVidia Shield... oddly never got around to installing Shield until yesterday -- and found this thread today. :(

I read this entire thread and understand & sympathize w/ your decision. Given your comments quoted above I was curious... what about making LB for Android a streaming app : Android "Client" to an LB for Windows "Server"?  This would be great for users with 'non-mobile' needs... like those of us with Android TV.  Google will be launching a new Android TV device this year so the user base will likely get much larger in the coming months.  With Client/Server, emulation is done on the Windows box and we use our Android TVs we love -- which are much easier to use than running a Windows PC as an HTPC + gaming system when we consider friend/family/guests that also might interact with it.  I ran a WinPC with Kodi and Retroarch for a year in my home theater... total nightmare

thx for considering

That is a good idea, but there are already solutions available to do that. I'm not an expert because I don't do it myself, but there's a large community here on the forums that use the Steam Link approach to stream Big Box to their devices. There are other solutions out there as well. Sure, we could streamline it, but developing streaming software is a major thing to tackle, and would probably require months worth of development, so it's probably best to just stick with pre-existing solutions.

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Posted (edited)

I just found out about this now. I bought Launchbox on Android but I never used it because emulation on Android just seems like something I don't have time for.

I hated the Steam Link solution. Mine's in a box, hahaha. It was just not great. And controllers were so hit or miss... maybe it's better now since controller support in retroarch is better now than a few years ago. 

However, I just bought a "smaller" (still fairly large, think two consoles together) PC, threw in an older graphics card, and it's literally a dedicated emulation machine that runs up to PS2 smoothly (could maybe dabble in some light PS3). Hopefully in the next few years, I an upgrade it to some type of Ryzen box, that's console size at most. But it literally just has two controllers plugged in to charge with wireless adapters and Launchbox/Big Box running and that's it. HDMI to the TV. 

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