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Jason Carr
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On 7/27/2021 at 2:59 AM, AbbieDoobie said:

2. Linux users are often more aware of the license terms they are agreeing to, and what all goes into software development. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of Linux users who want access to BigBox will be willing to pay for it, out of respect to the dev team.

I paid for BigBox, so I can confirm that the Linux community is onboard with paying for this. :)

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Hi all. need some help. I'm on Pop os and ran the sh but ended up getting stopped here:

--2021-08-04 10:57:12--  http://ak.or.download.microsoft.com/download/0/A/F/0AFB5316-3062-494A-AB78-7FB0D4461357/windows6.1-KB976932-X64.exe
Resolving ak.or.download.microsoft.com (ak.or.download.microsoft.com)... 23.103.192.61, 23.103.192.62, 23.103.192.63, ...
Connecting to ak.or.download.microsoft.com (ak.or.download.microsoft.com)|23.103.192.61|:80...


The connection never happens. I also cant go to that address via browser so i think the files have moved. Can someone please help me Thanks!

 

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3 hours ago, ShivitoApps said:

Hi all. need some help. I'm on Pop os and ran the sh but ended up getting stopped here:

--2021-08-04 10:57:12--  http://ak.or.download.microsoft.com/download/0/A/F/0AFB5316-3062-494A-AB78-7FB0D4461357/windows6.1-KB976932-X64.exe
Resolving ak.or.download.microsoft.com (ak.or.download.microsoft.com)... 23.103.192.61, 23.103.192.62, 23.103.192.63, ...
Connecting to ak.or.download.microsoft.com (ak.or.download.microsoft.com)|23.103.192.61|:80...


The connection never happens. I also cant go to that address via browser so i think the files have moved. Can someone please help me Thanks!

 

Yeah, I reported the same issue and have yet to get help. However, The Android version is apparently being ported to Linux. So for now, we wait. ☺️

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48 minutes ago, DavrosKaled said:

They are talking about it on the latest Poll. ☺️

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Problem is if it's dependent on CPU architecture, then we won't be seeing it on our Desktop Linux installs.  Also, the problem seems to be lack of posting of Launchbox in the right places.  I bet you if we hit up reddit and gamingonlinux.com there would be lots more interest in such a thing.  With the Steam Deck running ArchLinux, I think Launchbox / Bigbox would be amazing on it.

Also... Android != Linux as far as what we would like, the Android version will use Android libraries, so will basically be not usable on a normal Linux setup.

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5 hours ago, ShivitoApps said:

Thanks! BTW This is my first time putting Linux as my main OS on a device. I'm interested because i heard programmers prefer Linux. What is your reason for using Linux?

Awesome, welcome to the future.. or something.  I've been using Linux since '97.  Excellent platform for learning, programming, and pretty much anything.  Programmers tend to prefer Linux because they can look directly at the source code and hack around and learn from it easier than from closed source operating systems.  Not to mention the many great programming tools.  I actually got into Linux because I thought Windows 95 was ugly, and I wanted something a bit more open to customization.  Little did I know it'd set me upon my career path :P

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5 hours ago, ShivitoApps said:

Thanks! BTW This is my first time putting Linux as my main OS on a device. I'm interested because i heard programmers prefer Linux. What is your reason for using Linux?

I just love how much control Linux gives the user. And thanks to things like Gnome, KDE Plasma and Cinnamon, Linux now extremely user friendly.

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1 hour ago, slaapliedje said:

Problem is if it's dependent on CPU architecture, then we won't be seeing it on our Desktop Linux installs.  Also, the problem seems to be lack of posting of Launchbox in the right places.  I bet you if we hit up reddit and gamingonlinux.com there would be lots more interest in such a thing.  With the Steam Deck running ArchLinux, I think Launchbox / Bigbox would be amazing on it.

Also... Android != Linux as far as what we would like, the Android version will use Android libraries, so will basically be not usable on a normal Linux setup.

The Android version uses Xamarin.Forms, and will be upgraded to MAUI when .NET 6 comes out. There will be a native implementation of MAUI available for Linux. It will all still be written in .NET. Because of that, CPU architecture is mostly irrelevant. We've also experimented with running the full desktop version of LaunchBox and Big Box on Windows 11 ARM (compiled for ARM64), and we've confirmed that it runs well, and it's even usable on a Raspberry Pi using WOR. But the main problem is that there is no implementation of WPF on Linux, so no native version of the desktop app could ever be built with the themes support that we have (without a complete rewrite and reinventing the wheel, which is just not at all feasible).

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9 hours ago, Jason Carr said:

The Android version uses Xamarin.Forms, and will be upgraded to MAUI when .NET 6 comes out. There will be a native implementation of MAUI available for Linux. It will all still be written in .NET. Because of that, CPU architecture is mostly irrelevant. We've also experimented with running the full desktop version of LaunchBox and Big Box on Windows 11 ARM (compiled for ARM64), and we've confirmed that it runs well, and it's even usable on a Raspberry Pi using WOR. But the main problem is that there is no implementation of WPF on Linux, so no native version of the desktop app could ever be built with the themes support that we have (without a complete rewrite and reinventing the wheel, which is just not at all feasible).

https://ccifra.github.io/PortingWPFAppsToLinux/Overview.html

Something like this maybe?  Granted this is still using Wine.  But has all the instructions on how to get it running.

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23 hours ago, Jason Carr said:

That's ultimately what we're doing with the version that is already available. It's just not native.

For people like me, who don't have a clue about all of this, what are downsides of using LaunchBox on Linux through Wine compared to running natively on Windows?

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2 hours ago, SiriusVI said:

For people like me, who don't have a clue about all of this, what are downsides of using LaunchBox on Linux through Wine compared to running natively on Windows?

The biggest one is having to use Windows emulators under Launchbox, or figuring out a way to wrap around the native emulators.  With most programs it's not much of a difference (except maybe some performance issues).  But as Launchbox is a frontend to multiple emulators, it's better to use the native ones for integration, performance, etc. 

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17 hours ago, slaapliedje said:

The biggest one is having to use Windows emulators under Launchbox, or figuring out a way to wrap around the native emulators.  With most programs it's not much of a difference (except maybe some performance issues).  But as Launchbox is a frontend to multiple emulators, it's better to use the native ones for integration, performance, etc. 

Oh OK, I can see how using emulated windows emulators on Linux might hurt performance. Is there no way to just emulate Launchbox and have to point to the Linux versions of the emulators (e.g. Retroarch cores) ?

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On 8/4/2021 at 10:47 PM, DavrosKaled said:

I just love how much control Linux gives the user. And thanks to things like Gnome, KDE Plasma and Cinnamon, Linux now extremely user friendly.

  Agreed I think the user friendliness contributed quite greatly to me putting Linux on one of my main machines. Also pop os looks very nice? 

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I'll take wine support for now though. Looking forward to seeing if/how well it will get ran on Steam Deck. The Steam Deck's OS is based on Arch which is a rolling release distro. What this means is it gets the latest updates faster than things like Ubuntu. This may amount to nothing but it will probably help in getting this running well in WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator).

More importantly, Arch has access to the AUR. This will make installing Launchbox SO MUCH EASIER. Someone will probably make a launchbox-steam-deck that will have it configured pretty perfectly I imagine. One command and it's installed. If the developers see enough demand in that market, then they will happily make a more native implementation, as they have said before. 🙂

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