well thankx for the reply Jay and i checked it out but no dice on my end. i do know it's an emu specific issue although i know there are fixes and such for others i.e. previous versions of project 64 etc. anyway, i'll use launchbox to 'see' the games in my library and when the emulator opens i'll just go on and reload it from there (in the emu menu itself.) interesting thread you posted though, that loader got past me somehow but again. no cigar. thankx for the quick response. there are other emus as well which have similar issues (kat5200) but hey, just being able to see the menu in launch is aok. ~ MOS