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I just got a request for a game that currently has the title changed from not being a game to being a video to be deleted. The request is to put back its original title claiming that it is an "interactive video".
The title is called "Sweet Paradise" for PSP, it's released as a UMD Video (as if it were a movie), but it's also true that it says "GAME" on the bottom right. I have also looked for a link on YouTube where it is also true that the history of the video changes according to the decisions that the viewer makes, so it is true that it has interactivity. There are movie games that are sold as video games. An example would be the title "Erica" for Windows and PS4, it is all in real image and the operation is the same.
I am blocked. Any suggestions?: Sweet Paradise on PSP Game or video?
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Hace 9 horas, LonestarK dijo:
Estas fusiones solo comenzaron en las últimas semanas y ahora se han extendido al intento de fusión de juegos completamente diferentes que no comparten nada en común más que tener el mismo nombre en diferentes regiones.
Múltiples usuarios expresaron preocupaciones legítimas y dieron ejemplos de las consecuencias negativas que tiene la fusión en la base de datos. Consecuencias que incluyen la incapacidad de diferenciar qué información es para cuál de los diferentes juegos contenidos en la entrada única (información como fechas de lanzamiento, desarrolladores, editores e incluso tipo de juego, en casos como Edd the Duck, un juego inédito pero filtrado) ; la incapacidad de proporcionar URL de video únicas para cada uno de los diferentes juegos que muestren los diferentes gráficos/juegos o proporcionar descripciones/descripciones generales únicas para la historia y la historia de cada juego; la mayor carga sobre los usuarios finales de LaunchBox para clasificar la entrada confusa para determinar qué parte de la descripción general, qué imágenes y otra información se aplica a qué juego;
Estas preocupaciones y consecuencias han sido descartadas por un solo usuario, con la idea errónea de que siempre fusionamos juegos aquí, siempre lo hemos hecho y siempre lo haremos. Dicho usuario, como un medio para bloquear más discusiones, hace declaraciones generales insinuando que estos asuntos se resolvieron hace mucho tiempo, pero sin hacer referencia a ninguna discusión específica, vincular ningún tema, mostrar ningún tipo de declaración de alguien con autoridad, o incluso citar un directriz o regla oficial. Utiliza una falacia de "solo porque sí" para proteger su propio sesgo erróneo del statu quo, uno que podría ni siquiera estar basado en una interpretación precisa del statu quo.. Todo esto es de una forma increíblemente pobre a la hora de discutir cualquier asunto, y no fomenta la cooperación ni el debate. Luego, este usuario procedió a fusionar aún más juegos cuando otros usuarios ilustraron que su razonamiento era defectuoso y proporcionaron ejemplos en los que no se fusionaron diferentes juegos de circunstancias similares. Dicho usuario tiene una comprensión errónea de los conceptos de "igual" y "diferente", así como una mala comprensión de las pautas del moderador y las reglas del colaborador.
La regla 3 establece:
La regla 3 se creó para fusionar juegos de varios discos que anteriormente tenían una entrada para cada disco y juegos de grandes éxitos/platino que eran solo relanzamientos de su juego base, pero con la excepción de las ediciones especiales que eran diferentes de su base. juegos y así mantendrían su propia entrada. No fue creado para fusionar diferentes juegos.
Una de las piedras angulares de la declaración de la misión central de LaunchBox es hacer que sus juegos sean hermosos, otra es proporcionar al usuario final una interfaz fácil de usar para organizar fácilmente sin verse obligado a personalizar. La carga adicional para el usuario final como resultado de las fusiones de este usuario viola estos dos principios. Además, la propia política de "combinar todo" de dicho usuario es inconsistente y conduce a una experiencia inconsistente para el usuario final. ¿Por qué, según la política de dicho usuario, vamos a racionar y desordenar las entradas oficiales o incluso algunas entradas prototipo inéditas, pero brindamos un servicio mucho mejor para los romhacks?
Pido que todos los moderadores dejen de participar en la fusión de estos juegos, ya que tiene claros efectos negativos en la base de datos y sus usuarios finales, viola los principios básicos de la interfaz de LaunchBox y no tiene base en las pautas del moderador y las reglas de los colaboradores. .
I agree with you,
One example I always like to use is the "Wings of World" title for the Genesis/Mega Drive. In Japan it was released as "Gynoug", but the publisher and developer list is the same. However, Sapo Xulé clearly states in MobyGames "Additional Development by Tec Toy Indústria de Brinquedos S.A." and that is what I think that as moderators we should verify. In simple regionalization translations there is no additional development (be it a little or a lot), I think that in general, we are not here to judge the content but the data, double-checking the list of sites allowed by rule 1 and, sticking to to that, there should be no problem, because there would be the same methodology. But this in the end is a vote and that is what decides. And now giving my personal opinion, for me a game is regional when the content is exactly the same as in another country (except for the title or start images), if it has a different doll it is no longer the same, but it is just my humble opinion. I respect the others, of course.
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There is a website that sells software called "Nes Maker" for people to create their own NES-style video games, and then they have a platform for those same creators to publish them for free and anyone can play them, via a browser, called "The Retro Verse ": https://theretroverse.com/
It is true that there is a category for browser games, but considering the above: Would it be more appropriate to create a new platform called "The Retro Verse" to unify all the creations made with the same software of that platform?
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I think several things, the first thing that if everything finally had to be merged, Tec Toy by Sapo Xulé would also have to be included in the same entry and it would be confusing because there is no option to clarify what each developer has done. Everything included (regional names and all) is supposed to have been made by the people coming out. I think that separately it is clearer which company has done what. And then there are the rules that ask us to verify in a series of specific sites, doing a double verification check. Some of those sites have them separately. For example, too, in the Video URL field there is no room for two video links from each of them. It would be necessary to put one or the other (which would it be?), or put a two-part video with the two game plays. I don't know... I understand that if everything were the same even with a different logo, and a different name and translation = regionalized game. But if we add to all this that they have changed the sprite for another doll that the others don't have... I think it's too much to continue being regional.
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Hello friends, I have a question about rule 2. I have appeared in the moderation link with a request to change the name of a LaunchBox entry. It is a DLC currently called here as "The Amazing Spider-Man: Oscorp Search and Destroy Pack", the applicant asked to exchange it for "The Amazing Spider-Man: Oscorp Search & Destroy Pack", it is decided, in essence to change the "and" by the symbol "&", alluding to rule 2, that the title must reflect the art of the box.
The doubt I have at the time of moderating this is that in this case it is a digital DLC, there is no physical format with an expansion box, so the only thing there is is a banner that comes with the "&" symbol , but in the Steam title comes without it.
In this case of a digital title without physical art, what priority would the title of the stores or the digital cover or banner have?
Thanks.
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On 1/6/2023 at 10:50 AM, kurzih said:
I think that's the main issue here: Alternative names. The database code has a bug where you can't see what the person has written on the comment field. Everyone time you submit a new or edit an old / remove alternative name you always see an empty comment field as a moderator.
I know that I've used "trolling" a few times this week, which I normally only use with the cases MJF described. But the reason for that was the absurd back-and-forth time wasting nonsense of the same entries, again and again. The correct word I should have used for that would have been "spamming", instead. There is a point where enough is enough. People seem to use the database comment field as a debate forum - which it's not designed for. In my part at least if that was one of my comments, there was no intent of disrespect, but a short comment of the situation at hand, instead of a long explanation.
And here's a critic for some moderators from my part as well: PLEASE, finish your moderation queue before you make new changes. Too many times have I seen someone trying to change information (like a regional tag) that someone had already changed/been approved, instead of checking from his/her queue that the change is not already in motion. That would in some level be considered as spamming, or at least a total waste of moderation time since there's no (more) change to approve.
Another point worth considering: do not blindly trust what Moby Games has, they do have mistakes/inaccuracies, and there's no point in transferring those here. It's a fan-submitted database as well. In priority I suggest using a) official sources, b) the games own sources (play the game, read what's on the front/back covers/manual) and c) use Moby Games in parallel with platform-specific fansites that are usually even more accurate. Moby Games is great, but I'm also not 100% sure we can copy 1:1 content from there without their permission: https://www.mobygames.com/info/terms
I recently added a huge amount of missing media/entries, and I do moderation in tandem while I do that. But those cases above are one of the many reasons I'm not motivated anymore in doing this voluntary work (no pros being paid here).
I think many things would be better (and people would avoid getting personally hurt, as it looks you did - and sorry for that if that happened to be my comment) if the database would get a total overhaul in the near future.Thank you for the reply, and sorry for the delay, I did not receive notification. There is no problem, if it has been accepted, but neither is there a way to know for sure, so there is no need for you to apologize if we cannot know. The reason for going to MobyGames is for rule 1 of "Good and acceptable websites to double-check metadata are MobyGames, Giant Bomb, Wikipedia, IGN, Steam, GOG and GameFAQs." of the sites authorized by the rules, removing Steam and GOG that do not sell it, treating the title in question as an independent game: MobyGames, GiantBomb and IGN against Wikipedia and GameFAQs that treat it as a regionalization. I understand that you can have errors in the other bases, by all means, but in this case the rules allow it, as they say, in the case of 2 authorized sites that contradict the data, it would have to be compared with a third one.
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2 hours ago, MJF said:
The only time i use that as a response is when someone is LITERALLY trolling. Like those ones that try to change arcade cabinet scans into screenshots and whatnot to mess up the DB
In my case none of that, it was a matter of text in alternative names. A title that, for example, appears in MobyGames as an independent title since it has important changes and modifications, here it was regionalized. I have also provided all the evidence, the two MobyGames links as two independent titles, the screenshots where significant changes are seen in the gameplay. I always put the evidence of everything I request.
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If the person who wrote this is here, remind them that moderation is not a place for disrespect. If he disagrees, he is free to downvote, but not to be disrespectful. The good work of a moderator is to provide the reasons professionally.
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17 minutes ago, Thanatos_Prime said:
Primary name should be the North American one, other names as Alt names. Though, be careful. Some of the Fan Art boxes look really convincing, which causes some people to upload them as actual Box Fronts instead of correctly uploading them as Fan Art Box Fronts. Ignore Fan Art for game naming. If I'm unsure, I skip it and let someone who knows the platform better do the voting. While we are on the subject, remember that release date is based on whatever was the very first release date without regard to the region where that happened. So you will often get a game with a NA primary name and a release date over a year before that was released in North America because it is using the Japanese or European release date.
Also, we try to avoid using Kanji in primary name but instead use the phonetic translation (there is probably a better phrase for this, someone help me out) so instead of using 絶対に本当！
...we would use, Zettai ni hontō!
Though again, kanji in alt game names is acceptable.
Also you can use tools which allow you to take pictures or download the art to verify game names in other languages. I mostly use my cell phone and Google Translate, but I'm looking forward to trying this out: https://ian-nai.github.io/In-Browser-OCR/
Thanks a lot! Just like I thought. The first release date I had in mind, yes. How wonderful about OCR in the browser! Thanks, it will be very helpful
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Hi all! Sometimes I see games that have releases in Japan and other areas of the world and have a name in Japan and another in those areas, like for example in North America in English. However I see some of those games that have the Japanese name as their main name. I understand that we are a database of games in which the main language is English, so my question is: Should those titles be preferably with the name of the launch box in North America? Thanks as always for the help.
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Thank you very much as always for the help
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Yesterday, in the moderation queue, I got a request to add a title called "Microsoft Art Gallery", as I have been able to inform me is an interactive learning guide. I wanted to know if this type of educational software can be cataloged as a game here on LaunchBox. I honestly think that like Micorosft Encarta it could not be added because it is a digital encyclopedia this should not either, but I would like to know your opinion or if the rules contemplate it. Thanks, as always.
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2 minutes ago, Thanatos_Prime said:
Los números no son un problema. Doom 3 no es un problema, pero si fuera Doom ³, entonces podría causar un problema. Aunque recuerdo que en un momento Jason mencionó que solo los guiones en los nombres predeterminados causaban problemas después de algunas correcciones que hizo, no estoy seguro de cuál es el estado de los números en superíndice (potencia de like ³, ², ⁴ y así sucesivamente), así que intente para evitarlos.
Thank you very much for the quick and efficient response and clarification!
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I have a little doubt about rule 2, which says "Game names should reflect the box of the game, with the exception of games that break scraping in LaunchBox.
- For example, Alien 3 breaks scraping with it's superscript 3. "My doubt is that when I go to add a title, in the examples it tells me that I should write DOOM 3 instead of DOOM III, because DOOM 3 is how it comes in the box. In short, my specific question is: Can't you put numbers in the titles or can you put them?
Thanks in advance!
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Just now, Thanatos_Prime said:
It was already marked for deletion by another person and deleted from the DB before your request could be fully processed.
Thanks
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Hello, something strange happened to me. I have requested to remove an image of a game from the database because it was duplicated. However, it was rejected, but the photo has been deleted anyway. In the reason for rejection it says "No reasons were given, most likely because this moderation came in before the completion of the rejection reasons system" and I don't quite understand what that means. Thanks!
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1 minute ago, neil9000 said:
I would reject it, we are a games database, not a audio one. If someone wants to add music to there own collection thats up to them, but we shouldnt allow it in the database.
Got it, it's just what I thought. Thanks!
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Hello friends, I would like to ask a question. In moderation I have got a new entry to moderate in which the user wants to add a soundtrack to an existing game, my question is whether the soundtrack of a game can be called DLC (since being a soundtrack it does not add any new content to the base game) and as this is a video game database, I have doubts as to whether to accept it as DLC or not. Thanks in advance!.
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On 1/8/2020 at 1:44 PM, Mr. RetroLust said:
Its in the plugins category at the downloads page: https://forums.launchbox-app.com/files/category/5-third-party-apps-and-plugins/
Thank you very much for the answer, I'm sorry it took so long to respond. Thank you
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On 1/6/2020 at 6:52 PM, Jason Carr said:
There is a plugin for LaunchBox that allows uploading multiple games/images to the database. Yes, it is allowed. Unfortunately it can be abused, but it's been a rare occurrence in the past.
Thank you very much for the information! I would like to know if you can tell me where to find the complement. I really like to collaborate, but sometimes the task slows me down and maybe I can optimize it better. Thanks in advance for the excellent software.
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14 minutes ago, Thanatos_Prime said:
Yes, for this database it should be replaced with a colon.
I understand, thanks for the information ?
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I have a question about the dashes rule. There is a game that has been exclusively digital and digital platforms use the dash instead of the colon symbol (:).
The question is that if the creators of the game have decided that the title bears the dash, would it be valid or should it be replaced by the colon symbol?
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My question is because sometimes when I am moderating, I have found in the comments the phrase "comment added automatically" and also because it has occurred to me that after leaving the moderation queue to 0, after a few minutes I see another Once with many pending requests.
My question is to know if it exists and if it is allowed.
Thank you.
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I would like to request the implementation of the following categories:
Fanart - Box - 3D and Fanart - Clear Logo. I would also like to publicly ask the user who requests to delete the fan arts saying that we ask the developers for the function, please wait for the category to be created. You have to think about the common good, please.