Legitimate Reasons for Deleting Images

[LonestarK]

I'd like to remind everyone of the following rule incase you missed it:

"Images should only be deleted if they are duplicates, don't match the game they are assigned to, or are of very poor quality."

I've now seen the following images get deleted and re-added multiple times:

Game: Gradius III for SNES

Image Type: Fanart - Box - Front (United States)                     Image Type: Fanart - Box - Back (United States)

These aren't duplicates, they match the game they are assigned to, and they are not very poor quality. 

Please stop deleting fanart simply because it does not suit your particular tastes.  It's a waste of moderators' time to keep seeing the same images put up for deletion and addition.

[C-Beats]

If you start seeing any obvious patterns like this while moderating the DB please reach out to support@unbrokensoftware.com so we can attempt to look into it. They can look up the accounts and reasons given for the changes and we can try to get it stabilized.

[Freestate]

10 hours ago, LonestarK said:

I'd like to remind everyone of the following rule incase you missed it:

"Images should only be deleted if they are duplicates, don't match the game they are assigned to, or are of very poor quality."

I've now seen the following images get deleted and re-added multiple times:

Game: Gradius III for SNES

Image Type: Fanart - Box - Front (United States)                     Image Type: Fanart - Box - Back (United States)

These aren't duplicates, they match the game they are assigned to, and they are not very poor quality. 

Please stop deleting fanart simply because it does not suit your particular tastes.  It's a waste of moderators' time to keep seeing the same images put up for deletion and addition.

The problem with this image is tagging it as regional, it does not meet the design of a SNES USA box, it's a strange mixture between Pc Box Ratio and real box. It could be aproved without region. Also the same user is reuploading a false BOX SPINE tagged as USA, box spine is not a fanart category and the real USA SIDE SPINE is available. Tags are for use it correctly not something arbitrary, and Fanart is no exception, it is too common for certain users to use regional tags not precisely to satisfy their own tastes, incorrectly using the world region to favor usa and europe, or without considering that world means the same in all regions, or using it for fanart, or cases like the one you describe. If it doesn't imitate the style and size of a usa box it should be uploaded as regionless. I don't know why so much insistence and argument with this box that has a very uneven design and the poster category has already been created for boxes with this size and proportions. Also the image contains a peyorative word against canadian people, cannucks, seem more like trolling than a real contribution. It was removed several times because the user who uploaded it insists on labeling it as something it is not.

The database has its limitations in terms of categories where media can be placed, and we do not have categories for all types of art. We always try to reconcile the desire of some users to upload their creations with the database being an orderly place and the categories being used correctly, but many users insist on uploading their creations anywhere and in any way, generating totally unpredictable downloads that then require a lot of manual screening work. This can be done by uploading fan media to categories not created for it, incorrectly regionalizing or multiplying the designs and the type of format of what they upload to infinity. No, it is not sustainable to accept everything uncritically if it does not meet minimum quality standards, both in form and in terms of respecting the labeling. If you look at other SNES entries, this is the general rule that has been applied, if its design is not congruent with the region it refers to, it is deleted or kept as regionless, in the same way that we avoid labeling as official what is not in the main categories.

Edited December 23, 2024 by Freestate
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[LonestarK]

So you've deleted fanart images because they don't "imitate the style and size" of an official box.  This is not a rule.  Fanart is fanart, and you don't get to decide what dimensions it should have or what it should look like.

You've deleted images for having what you believe is the incorrect region tag.  This is also against the database rules.  If anything the region should be changed and corrected.

You've deleted images for being tagged with an incorrect image type rather than tag it with the correct image type.

You've justified the unwarranted deletion of fanart as normal and a way to "counter-troll" perceived abuses of being mistagged rather than correct the tags:

On 8/5/2024 at 3:52 PM, Arthurcoutinho600 said:

there are a troll or account that deleting  fanart box art and carts without reason. the fan art box art and carts are allowed by the rules and have category right?

well around my moderations, there's someone that criticized the poor quality about the fan art images and criticized the database, saying that the database have some walkaround crap or bad fanarts and i reject the changes

But the category is right, around my moderations, its saying fan art box art or fan art cart so yeah that user is deleting fanarts without reason saying not official or fanmade.

 

On 8/6/2024 at 5:29 AM, Freestate said:

Sadly, some notifications in moderation that seem like trolling, end up being counter-trolling due to abuses of the database by other users. As I have told you, there are users who selfishly fill and approve the fanmedia database in all categories, driven by a personal need for all their media to be in North American format, making it impossible and unpredictable to know what type of data and of what quality you download. It is normal that some users get fed up and request deletions without giving reasons because they are tired of seeing the same things. In my opinion there are too many botched jobs in the database and very little effort to provide consistent, real and restored art by many users. For example currently the majority of SNES carts are located in the fanart cart category only because a user had a personal crusade to remove the restorations that I mostly made using a generic template. Since there is no RECONSTRUCTED category for carts I had to move them to fanart cart but other users there are really busy uploading fudges from USA cartridges and you have to upload them regionless if you don't want to have unpredictable downloads when you select regional priorities. It's infuriating. There should have been separate categories for all types of fanmedia years ago because there are users who want to customize their experience 100% and their insistence on forcing their art entry without having the proper categories in the database and some shortcomings in the download configuration turn everything into chaos.

 

In addition, you're trying to slander these images as offensive.  Canuck is not a pejorative word against Canadian people.  It's actually a term of pride and endearment and originates from blending "Canadian" and "inuk" (the Inuit word for "man").  It's literally a shorthand for saying "Canadian Man".  Canadians have both a national hockey team and a rugby team named the Canucks, and a quick web search will reveal the harmless nature of the word, even when you use search terms like "Is Canuck a pejorative?" See screenshot below.

 

As for your other points about region, the fanart box front in question uses an oval seal which imitates the official oval Nintendo seal that was historically used on North American boxes, except this fanart seal explicitly states it is USA only.  And the fanart box back uses the same seal as well as additional text in two other places that explicitly states that it is USA only and not a North American release.

Not only do you delete images for having an incorrect region tag, but you also delete images when they do have the correct region tag.

You've claimed you deleted these images "because the user who uploaded it insists on labeling it as something it is not."  What exactly is incorrect about the region tags?  Is the region not United States?  The box itself tells you its region in multiple differing instances via text.  Or is it not the incorrectness of the tag that offends you?  Is it the tag itself?  Do you believe the United States region tag should never be used?

If the region tag is not the labeling that offends you so much that you must delete the images, then it must be the label of fanart itself.  I think we've finally come to the heart of the issue now.  You don't believe it is fanart.  In your reply to this thread, you've described the images as "strange" and twice voiced your disapproval of their unique design, as well as attempted to slander the images as offensive.  Why do you believe that you alone get to decide what is and isn't art?

Which brings me back to my original point:  Please stop deleting fanart simply because it does not suit your particular tastes.

I've also witnessed you delete on multiple occasions clear logos that are tagged correctly and exactly replicate the official logo, such as this one:

Image Type: Clear Logo (North America)

And on multiple occasions you've insisted on mislabeling your own fanart logo and continually changing its tag from regionless to North America.

Fanart Logo left in database as Image Type: Clear Logo.

It's been explained to you multiple times that the blue and black outline around the letters D & I on the fanart logo does not match the official logo on the box.  I know this because I've made this request myself, and unlike you, rather than delete or overwrite the fanart, I simply removed the region tag, and uploaded the correct official logo as a seperate image.  Here's the official box for reference:

Now as much as you'd like to hide behind your claimed standard of only deleting images that are mislabeled, and tagging all unofficial images as regionless, I've witnessed you delete clear logos for other game entries with no other reason than it's fanart, despite no other logo existing in the database for those games.  In those cases, you would rather other users have nothing, while you yourself actively take part in mislabeling, mistagging, and miscategorizing fanart to suit your own whims simply because you like the look of this art more.

Now I appreciate the time and effort you have put into the database over the years, but it is not yours alone.  Please stop removing assets that others find useful.

I'm asking you to please stop deleting images.  The deletion of fanart images in particular is especially egregious because it is often extremely difficult to impossible to recover them from other sources.