greengeek Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Can LaunchBox be installed without having all the latest Windows 10 feature upgrades? I am running Windows 10 and it is fully up to date on security updates. It does not have any of the feature updates though. So none of the creators upgrades. Without adding the feature upgrades to get an updated windows version number, I can only install up to .net 4.6.1. When I try to install the latest version of launchbox, it tries to install .net 4.7. Since that version is not compatible with my system, it fails and the only option it gives me is to cancel the installation of launchbox. Can LaunchBox run with .net 4.6.1 or can LaunchBox run using the Windows 10 2015 LTSB version of the OS? Is there a way to by pass the of the 4.7 .net or to at least allow one to continue installation if it fails? I really dont want to have to install this on a version of the OS that installs all the extra 3rd party apps from MS if I don't have to as this is a dedicated machine only for LaunchBox. Thanks. Edited January 11, 2018 by greengeek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombeaver Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 So you can't just install .NET Framework 4.7 by itself? You have to do feature updates to do that? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=55170 Newer LB/BB versions do use newer versions of .NET, so your options are going to be updating Windows sufficiently so that you can install .NET 4.7 or use an older version of LB/BB which use 4.6.1. I'm not sure what version that would be, specifically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengeek Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yep only way to upgrade a Windows 10 LTSB is to do a full Windows install from media, ie LTSB 2015 to LTSB 2016. They dont allow for traditional upgrades. I am curious though if LB itself has any hard coded requirements for the very latest version of .net, or if that is only hard coded into the installer. Are there libraries it calls in 4.7 that are not in 4.6? Is there a command line argument that lets me bypass the additional requirements check? Would installing it on my main box, and then just copy over the installed folder to the arcade box work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombeaver Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 As far as I know, the newer versions do actually use 4.7. @Jason Carr can confirm though. I remember this being an issue for a couple people that used Vista - they had to request a previous build because they couldn't upgrade any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 This is all correct. The .NET 4.7 framework is required, or LaunchBox won't work at all. We upgraded primarily for performance reasons, as version 4.7 of the framework has some significant performance improvements. The latest Windows 10 feature updates are required in order to install the 4.7 framework if you're running Windows 10. Unfortunately that's just how Microsoft has done it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengeek Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Dang, that means one cant use any current LTSB versions of Win10, or even Win 10 enterprise with differed upgrades turned on. Which means increase performance of LB but unfortunately decreased performance of Windows with all the extra junk that gets installed with the feature upgrades. I guess on a related note, how does LB/BB perform on Windows 7 or 8.1 compared to the latest version of 10? Are there any downsides on using 7 or 8.1? I am really wanting to give LB its own hardware and OS and try to minimize anything that is not related to it or entertainment in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 It works perfectly fine on 7 and 8, I use it on an older PC turned into an HTPC with Windows 7 and its fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombeaver Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I use 7 and don't have any performance problems. How it directly compares to 10, I don't know, but it'd be comparing good vs also good haha; it definitely works well under 7 regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengeek Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 Thanks for the updates. I think I will try it with windows 7. Maybe with any luck @Jason Carr will have migrated over to .net core and we can run it on alternate operating systems before windows 7 goes eol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 It is notable that performance is significantly better on Windows 10 than Windows 7, but certainly it should still work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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