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Dear @skizzosjt
one last thing
I am intertested buying a new HD, it is quite useless at this speed (maybe later I'll request an RMA or support to WD).
I have already an WD DC HC550
https://www.bpm-power.com/it/online/componenti-pc/hard-disk-interni/3-5-18tb-western-b1693264
I have seen also a Seagate Sata Exos (ST18000NM000J)
https://www.bpm-power.com/it/online/componenti-pc/hard-disk-interni/3-5-18tb-seagate-b1705797
What do you think about this drives? I use for Launchbox, so the main app, platform and roms.
Thank you again!
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Dear @skizzosjt
thank you again for your reply.
The spinning time seems to be an interesting value to follow.
I'll try to understand better it and how to keep monitored.
Smart says that it is all ok...
I'll buy a new HD if this is not working well, it keeps my base LB install with roms. It is a new HD, it has only 1 year... sigh
Thank you again for your precious tips and advices!
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On 10/29/2022 at 4:12 PM, skizzosjt said:
looks good man! sorry to hear the HDD is becoming slow. if by checking tool you mean something that gives you the S.M.A.R.T. report then that's good it says it's OK but I then wouldn't know why it's becoming slow, usually SMART reports give some sort of warning about that. Other wise download a monitoring tool like HWInfo64 to get the SMART report because perhaps it would have an error/warning message about the disks health.
Dear @skizzosjt
Thank you again for your reply.
I was using HWmonitor64 but seems that HWinfo64 is much more accurate.
Are you able to understand what this means?
[Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.)] [01] Raw Read Error Rate: 100/1, Worst: 100 [02] Throughput Performance: 138/54, Worst: 138 (Data = 96,0) [03] Spin Up Time: 82/1, Worst: 82 (Data = 25035110,7) [04] Start/Stop Count: 98/Always OK, Worst: 98 (Data = 1037,0) [05] Reallocated Sector Count: 100/1, Worst: 100 [07] Seek Error Rate: 100/1, Worst: 100 [08] Seek Time Performance: 133/20, Worst: 133 (Data = 18,0) [09] Power-on Hours/Cycle Count: 100/Always OK, Worst: 100 (3673 hours / 153.0 days) [0A] Spin Retry Count: 100/1, Worst: 100 [0C] Power Cycle Count: 93/Always OK, Worst: 93 (Data = 523,0) [16] Current Helium Level: 100/25, Worst: 100 (Data = 100,0) [C0] Power-Off Retract Count: 100/Always OK, Worst: 100 (Data = 3120,0) [C1] Load/Unload Cycle Count: 100/Always OK, Worst: 100 (Data = 3120,0) [C2] Temperature: 65/Always OK, Worst: 65 (30.0 °C) [C4] Reallocation Event Count: 100/Always OK, Worst: 100 [C5] Current Pending Sector Count: 100/Always OK, Worst: 100 [C6] Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count: 100/Always OK, Worst: 100 [C7] UltraDMA/SATA CRC Error Rate:
I think I owe you something
for the support!
Thank you!
100/Always OK, Worst: 100
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Dear @skizzosjt,
I have mounted all. I tried to be clean with the cable and I have some improvements!
Here it is!
and it works!!!
For now temperatures have touched for a second 84° but usually does not go over 68°
I have only to check an hard disk that is became a lot slow...checking tool tell me that is ok. Maybe I have to set better sata cable.
I have put 3 fans on the same point on top and 3 argb on the same point on top
On bottom I have 3 argb on 1 and 2 fans on1 and 1on1
Thank you again for your precious support!
Regards
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1 hour ago, skizzosjt said:
Sounds great man! Sure thing, show off the finished setup when you get it all setup!
Honestly I thought the photos from the backside of your case look very neat and tidy. That middle support brace on the back of these cases sure do an excellent job hiding cables that otherwise look like a rats nest lol. Upfront you could minimize cable clutter a little more by making better use of the access holes or maybe twisting the HDD around 180 degrees to position the end where the data and power hook ups are, to point towards the rear so it's better aligned with one of the access holes along the bottom.
Hey, great idea! Why I have fixed it in that way??? ahhahaha I have ordered 3 fans. I'll set all. I'll see the best arrangement, maybe turning HD, 1 fan bottom, 1 top over cpu-ram, 1 on the panel
I'll try to arrange the cables, I have bought an hub controller, maybe I can put togheter the new cables (fans and argb), anyway it is very funny!1 hour ago, skizzosjt said:I'm not sure if there are shorter PSU cables available on the market, but I'd advise against them unless they specifically say they work with your exact PSU model. You absolutely cannot get a cable out of PSU box A and use it on PSU B.....even if the connectors fit. here's a read for details on that if you're interested to learn why
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2702-psa-on-mixing-modular-psu-cables-dont-do-it
You are right about extensions. They are more points of failure whether it's at the connectors or the cables themselves, the signal can attenuate the further the distance they need to travel, etc. Not saying extensions are bad, but they should only be used if necessary to minimize adding additional points of failure. If a single cable is long enough, then use that instead of two shorter cables hooked together. If the cables length is just giving you hassle to make things look neat and tidy then get yourself some velcro strips because you can adjust those as many times as needed and start tying down cables in the rear compartment since this will help squish them down to take up less space and could fit more back there, and hopefully in a more manageable and tidy fashion too.
After reading the article I say "NO", I'll keep my perfect cables. I'have looked on the coolermaster site (my psu) to see if there are some different cables, but they sells only extensions. So I have to learn to accomodate the cables.
20 years ago, we never had such problems. We were searching only for power. Now argb and a good look is also requested. I mean...I like it!
Thank you again, truly!
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1 minute ago, skizzosjt said:
The red arrows are where fans should be orientated as exhaust (rear of case, and top of case). The blue arrows are where fans should be intake (side panel, front of case, and bottom of case). So if you wanted fans on the bottom of the case, they should be intake, sucking in cool air into your case. If you added fans to top of the case, those should be exhaust, blowing hot air out of the case.
No problem about the questions, hopefully you have come away with a little more knowledge and confidence in how to setup your cooling.
You are great!
I never thought about orienting the fans like that.
Now I proceed with the purchase of 3 beautiful fans and then when I have assembled everything, I will send you a photo. We'll see if I've been a careful student!I have to setup in a better way my cables, they are too long and I' am having some trouble to put them all behind. I was searching for shorter cables but seems that it is better to use the one packed with the psu. (I have bought 3 cables to make the case pretty but I have discovered that they are extensions...too cables can creates too vulnerabilities I think).
Thank you again!!!!!
So precious tips!
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1 hour ago, skizzosjt said:
You wouldn't want to try to install an AIO with the MB installed in the case. Or, at least not assuming you need to also install a support bracket on the rear of the MB for said AIO, because that must be done with it out of the case. Here I say avoid an AIO unless you want one for aesthetic reasons. (it looks cool sort of thing). 11400F can be cooled by Intel's basic included cooler so you don't necessarily need a better one unless you're trying to run with higher power limits....which is likely what was changed in UEFI (BIOS) since this is the only thing I know that exists that could make you hit 100C+ temps on such a run of the mill chip. (that is besides doing other mistakes that wouldn't go away from changing an option in UEFI)
A standard fan is 25mm thick and can fit on either the back or the front of that side panel mount point. See those slots to either side of this area? (I marked one side of these slots in yellow) Those are the mounting points for fans and rads and any other standardized gear that follows the 120mm footprint. As far as intake or exhaust goes, that is decided by the orientation, rather than which side of a mounting point it is placed on. These pics below will hopefully explain how to tell which orientation creates exhaust or intake. Please note you mentioned "push air from front to behind", and if I understand that correct, it's what I am recommending against, as that acts as exhaust and you do not want hot air coming off the GPU and GPU etc going into the back compartment. I recommend making it intake. (Literally orientate your fans 180 degrees from my previous posts pic as another photo to reference). Intake in this context means a fan on the side panel will suck in cool air from outside the case and push it inside your case. This will create cool air flow into the back compartment which will help keeps the disks mounted back there cooler along with also helping cool the PSU. This means if your fan(s) are mounted to the side panel area and you are looking into your case, you will be looking at the rear of the fan, where the support braces and hub are
Consider this pic. Notice you can see the "front" side of the fan facing the inside of the case? This side of the fan is where air will be sucked into, aka, the intake side. Meaning air from inside the case gets sucked into this fan, and then exhausts the hot air outside of the case. Considering all this as a whole, this fan is acting as an exhaust fan, which is perfectly appropriate.
Notice how on these fans you do not see the "front" of the fan. Instead you see the "rear" of the fan from inside the case. Take notice of the yellow lines I drew over the support brace on the backside of the fan. This is an easy way to identify which side is the front or rear. The "hub" is on the rear. If you took those stickers off this is where you would place a drop of something like 3 in 1 oil to lubricate it. The rear side is the side with these braces. If you were to pick up a fan and look at the side with these braces, if that fan was turned on it would be blowing air into your face. If you then turned it around so the braces are facing away from you, it would be blowing air away from your face. So based on the orientation the fan is installed is what determines if it is acting like intake or exhaust. The front fans are therefore acting as intake, also perfectly appropriate
Right now you have front to rear case air flow and more intake than exhaust which is good in my opinion. it creates more positive air pressure which means if there is more air coming in, than going out, it makes it much harder for dust to settle into your system.
You have a problem if you're even close to 100C. Even though 80C is acceptable, 70C sounds more in line where you should be according to reviews. This is why I think the power limit was cranked to reach those high temps.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-11400f/21.html
Dear @skizzosjt,
thank you very much for your kind reply!
I think I am understanding.So, I'll mount a new fan on that lateral panel as intake.
I dont want to push my cpu, so I can save some money here and invest on 2 more fans to mount on the top of the case...here I have a lot of place! It is good to put them intake here also? I was thinking to put one next to the front and maybe the other one above the cpu. Or it is bettere to mount one on the bottom as exhaust?
Sorry for the questions but you are helping me a lot and I'd like to learn something!
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On 10/21/2022 at 4:27 AM, skizzosjt said:
On the CPU, sounds like you might have turned on some "auto overclocking" feature? If so those are notorious for being terribly optimized. They will in fact give you more performance, but at a cost of way more temp. Those things normally pound the voltage in and as a result will make the CPU run pretty darn hot. The MB manufacturer doesn't want ppl to use these features and have their system be all unstable because the voltage is a hair too low, so they crank it to make sure the system is stable. So now knowing a bit more of this story as a whole, I could see the high temps being caused by an auto overclock or maximum boost type feature which means there is a bunch more of hot air getting dumped into the case from the CPU cooler and as a result the HDDs ran hotter due to the higher ambient temp in the case. Overall, I think you're making good adjustments for the problem but might need those extra fans if you aren't fully satisfied with temps after you have had a chance to really evaluate everything.
I had the i5 8400 with a mobo asus TUF, I had never problems with cpu temperatures.
So I have bought a similar one. i5 11400f with another asus tuf mobo (b560m plus wifi). When the cpu touched 100° I was a little surprised. luckly I have thought to enter the bios and check for something different from "default". From that time I have never touched again such temperatures and usually it goes 70-80 when I am playing. I dont know if it is good, but for sure it is better.
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On 10/21/2022 at 4:27 AM, skizzosjt said:
might be a language translation error here? I'm not sure where you were going with the dirt or hurt comment. If the temp question is about how cool my disks stay when in the dock since they are not in a case where they get good air flow they will run a little hotter than if they were in a case. As in they will not run at a cool 31C sitting in a dock, unless you get a dock with built in fans, they do exist but will cost more. I have my dock basically next to my feet when I'm at my desk and I can hear some light "whirring" from them and they are warm to the touch, but not hot. I use HWInfo64 for monitoring temps and temps will depend on the ambient temp of the room/building you are in. My HDDs in the dock normally are in the 30s and 40s when in actual use. low 20's when I boot up, and when idling mid-high 20s and then climb to the 30's say after 30mins and eventually 40s when in an extended use time frame. Depends on the disk model, some run cooler than others.
And to close this post out I'd say yes you can get any size dock that suites your needs. Get whatever one you want that has the features you're after. You do not have to populate all the bays, you can leave them empty if you got a bigger dock like a 4 bay model. If you only have 2 disks to go into it for now that is fine. It gives you room to upgrade should you want to have more disks in use at the same time down the road.
I have saved my last comment...a little afraid to loose what I have written
For the docking station, I think I'll look for something that can operate with fans and protect from dust. I have also a little girl here that sometimes does not look where she goes...and I cant loose my data!! But I have to find something good.
Now I have bought some argb items and I am having fun...I have put led all over the desk ahahahhaah
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Ciao @skizzosjt
Just returned on my pc now!
I post you some photos of my case, so I can explain better:
This is my case. You can see my first HD on the bottom. Here I have a good temperature. I have only one fan behind (120) and 2 front (140). I think I'll add 1 on the panel you showed me, it is a good idea. And then I'll mount some on the top. Id like to mount a liquid cooler on my cpu...but I dont want to remove mobo..I cant reach it from the behind...
How you can see, there is a good place for a 120. But I'll have to remove a little panel from behind.
That is the back. You can see a secondary HD put in vertical and the little panel that I can remove to insert the fan. On the right psu and over the other HD. I have choosen to put on the external slot to gain 2 cm from the mobo.
Now you can see the hole removing the little panel. I dont understand anyway where to put the fan. From the back or from the front? I was thinking to make the fan able to push air from Front to behind, it is right? That is what you call "intake"? I am not sure that it'll push a lot of air because the HD is a bit far from here and it is not directly hit, but maybe it can help to make some air moves. Here we say that "something is better than nothing". I was also thinking to put a little fan (100) in the missing hd slot, maybe I can obtain a good direct airflow...I am not so sure for the vibration, but I can make a low rotation on it...
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Thank you for yours replies!
1 hour ago, skizzosjt said:let's not gloss over the comment you're not getting the proper cooling your system needs. I highly recommend to address that! poor cooling will not go away or should it give you any piece of mind by removing your disks out of your case. The heat is going to be coming from likely CPU, GPU or possibly PSU, but frankly never heard of anyone improving temps by removing a HDD or two out of their case. They don't produce enough heat to be the culprit. If I were you, I would explain this situation further so you can get some help on how to improve it. It's not always a just toss money at it and get more or better fans. Having them setup in a proper configuration is just as important. Certain PC cases are much better for allowing good airflow compared to others. Improper cooler mounting. Ambient temps...etc are some of the factors that could be lending to your cooling challenges
I have changed my pc. Usually I take classic case with a good airflow and I am used having HD next to frontal fans. I have inserted in the order a case but the sellers reported me that the case was not able to support 4 HD, so I have changed it with a bit of hurry, without looking it very well. I have choosen a Lian Li 011 mini air, I have read review and looking at it seemed good.
These new case separate PSU and HD in a not visible area, behind the mobo. I have stocked my two HD and their temperatures were of 40° and 50°. I dont like that, so I have put and HD on the front, fixing it on the bottom of the case, it is not the right place but now the temperature is 31°. Also my CPU were a bit hot, but maybe I had some optimized option in bios that I have removed and now seems to be acceptable. anyway I have the other HD stocked in the invisible area and his temperature is about 38-40°, there are no fans there, so I was thinking to move the 2 hd in another place. I admit that having it on the bottom does not look so good...1 hour ago, skizzosjt said:I think they are saying they want to put two HDDs into a single dock, rather than combine the contents of two HDDs to a single HDD. @xevious1974 if I misunderstood, sorry, just ignore my post about the dock
Yes, you are right. I am not so good to handle different situations, so I prefer to use them separately. I'd like to see them for what they are.
1 hour ago, skizzosjt said:about the dock. do you already run LB/BB on these HDDs? if so moving them to an external dock should not impact anything. A HDD cannot saturate USB 3.X and it cannot saturate SATA III which I'm sure is what you had it connected through when they are inside the case. In other words the bottleneck is the HDD itself, the connection protocol used doesn't come into play limiting performance in this scenario. it means you could get any dock that has the features you want and call it a day if that is the case. for what you provided so far I'd be looking for a dock that has two bays so you can have both HDD's installed simultaneously. Something like this should cost about $35 - $55 depending on the brand and specific model......don't fall for the bait about the marketing BS that says a specific model is rated for something like "up to 12TB drives".....there literally is no such thing as a limit like that....as if your dock and PC cannot communicate with the disk if it's beyond a certain size. (this isn't the days of FAT32 file system) If it's a dock with some extra features, maybe those extra bells and whistles features do not work on drives beyond their stated max, but for reading or writing data to disks in the dock, such as a LB build, there is no problem there.
I use this guy specifically for not having any HDD's in my PC case to eliminate the noise as well as make room for other SSD's to use the bays they were once in. Now I can turn them on only when needed rather than they are on the whole time the PC is powered up. Not necessarily saying "get this model" but it sounds like it would cover your use case. To be clear though this works well for my use case, which is just data use, not booting from them, so similar enough to your use case (storing LB data). I would use this as a starting point, and you should shop around for a unit that's available in your region, I know prices and availability of items can change country to country. You certainly do not need USB 3.2 gen 1 or 2 if all you're going to use these for is HDDs. if you ever plan to put an SSD in the dock, USB 3.0 is still technically fast enough for any 2.5" SATA III SSD. Not until you get into SSDs that are NVMe would they be able to saturate USB 3.0 speeds. I do not run LB/BB from this. Personally I wouldn't run my OS or software from an HDD anymore, I appreciate the snappiness of a SSD. So I use these for mainly storing games I cannot fit on my SSDs in the PC case as well as backing up stuff. Note how silly this marketing BS is here....title shows "up to two 12TB disks"....read the description "up to two 18TB disks".....it's just the manufacturers way of saying they tested it with disks up to this size but USB doesn't care how big the disk is. Those were likely the biggest disks out on the market at the time when this model was released a few years ago.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PX2HHD6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Thank you for your suggestion! I have seen that product and it is the easiest way to handle what I need. What do you think about dirt? What do you think about little hurt that can take? And what do you think about temperature?
Yeah, maybe I a bit worried about my hd, but you know...I am working hard on my LB config from 3-4 years, and I cannot loose all for a mistakes. I have a little backup on an 8TB...and I have to update it. In fact I'd like having more spaces, like 3-4 slot, to add also my backup. Can work that? What do you think?
Thank you again for your time!
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21 hours ago, TJ_on_Launchbox said:
I have used Seagate external Hardware and also Western Digital.
Both run fine.If you want to copy your entire Build then use "Teracopy".
You can use the free Version. It did the Job perfect for me.If you copy like 8 TB at once then you have a Pause Button. The next Day you just click on the Button and it continues to copy where it stopped the Day before.
Thank you for your reply!
Your external device was for 1 HD or for more HD in the same device?Because I have 2 differents HD that I'd like to move outside the case in a single external device (with a good cooling system) and I'd like that windows will see them separately...I have inserted too many paths to change all.
But I admit that I dont know what I am talking about, I dont know which system/device/hardware can be used.
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Hi,
I have changed my pc and I am not very satisfied with the new cooling system. So I was thinking to put my 2 hd (14 and 18 TB) on an external hub/dock station or other linked to my pc with USB (3.2 gen2 or gen 1)
But I dont know which hardware to use. Any of you use LB/BB on external hardware? Can I use the first that I like?
Can you help me please?
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On 9/30/2022 at 12:50 AM, Fugus said:
Was it approved on your end? Maybe they only delete entries once a week or something?
I see the game. Maybe you are right, it'll happen soon
On 9/30/2022 at 12:50 AM, Fugus said:Edit: And on the bright side, I think I might have either added all or near all of the missing US Wii U games to the database and added some missing cover art to a few others. That stuff gets tedious. Might not be the best quality artwork but low quality is still better than nothing at all.
I totally agree. We have time to improve quality but meanwhile something is better than nothing.
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it was not marked for deletion from what I can see.
So I have marked it. Let's wait to see.
Anyway you can help moderating to speed up the process
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Retroachievements ARCADE playlist xml
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Hi all friends!
I have created this playlist to make it easier when you want to play retroAchievements for arcade!
I have added 207 games MANUALLY!!! 🤣
You can find the original list here:
https://retroachievements.org/gameList.php?c=27
there are 211 games in total BUT:
-Street Fighter Alpha 3 | Street Fighter Zero 3 [Subset - Bonus]
-Tetris the Absolute: The Grand Master 2 Plus
Are in the parent games, so you have togheter the first rom.
And
~Hack~ Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 Plus ---> it is not in the mame, I have not understand where I can find it. Also monkey ball bin is not in the mame but I have added the mame version (you have to change that)
~Prototype~ Marble Madness 2: Marble Man ---> I have set 242 and this game is available if you got 245 or newer...You can find also a logo that I have created using the original RetroAchievement logo.
If I am inspired I'll prepare also a video...we'll see
I hope you enjoy this
Have fun!
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Submitted09/20/2022
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51 minutes ago, Retro808 said:
You can do this. The purchase will be in your information so it would have your email/name. After you make the purchase email the team and you can ask them to issue the license in his name since it is a gift. They should be able to update the license and send you a new one.
support@unbrokensoftware.com
Thank you a lot Retro808, and sorry for the questions
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to be honest, what I'd like is:
I pay and I receive the licence, then I prepare a USB with LB installed and with his licence.
Do you think I can do something like that?
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To be sure
If I buy a licence for a friend, in the form, I can insert his email and then I insert my Credit Card to pay?
he'll receive the mail with activation or the licence?
I'd like only to be sure that he can have the licence but I can pay for it. (I dont want that he knows what I am doing before I have done it, it's a surprise!)
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28 minutes ago, Retro808 said:
Only discounts have ever come on Black Friday. The past 7 years of using LB I do not recall any type of grandfather or friends discount. When LB price changed Jason did grandfather licenses purchased before the increase to only be charged the old price when they renew their license. That is the only grandfathering I have seen.
Thank you very much, Retro808.
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Hi all!
I know that this software is worth each cent of his cost. I love it and I try to support it as I can.
I have a very dear friend, and I'd like to gift him a license. He is on hyperspin, gameex and other frontends but he is not satisfied, and we know, here, that only Launchbox is the best program!
So, I think I have seen in the past a sort of grandfather or friend discount. There is something like that at the moment?
Sorry for the miserable question.
Regards
LB FOR EVAHHHH
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On 9/8/2022 at 12:15 AM, Mozza said:
Awesome and crazy with equal measure!
I am super jealous and I hope you put in some serious time to enjoy your collection!
Fun fact: If you play 1 game per hour for 11 hours each and every day, you can through this collection in around 50 years!
205,039 ÷ (365.25×50) = 11.23
I have thought that hundreds of times!
I have something like 218k but in 16 TB. I'll never try them all. But...you know...because I dont know 🤣 I am just lost! I have fun with retroachievements right now! -
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Hi all!
I was searching for some new playlists to create, today there are too many games, so I'd like to discover some little gems that I can miss.I have found this one, by FitGirl. Yes, it is a little weird but he/she "handles" a lot of games, so, why dont try it?
In the playlist I have found 2 games that I liked a lot (Unpacking, I loved him, also my daughter) and I think that you can find some strange games here, that can be easily missed.
So, I have created a little intro video (just modified one found on youtube), a logo, and the xml. All the games are in our DB, 2 were missing but I have added them.
Tell me if there is a great game inside, so I can try it!
I hoped the Twelve was inside, I loved that game. But I am preparing my personal 100 top games and I have inserted it. I know that you all dont sleep tonight waiting for my top 100!! 🤣Anyway, I hope you can enjoy it.
Love
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On 6/17/2022 at 1:18 PM, Retrofrogg said:
Have you looked at the goodsets?
I was thinking that a Tosec set was more complete, am I wrong?
Just asking to learn ☺️
What do you suggest to store Launchbox in external hd?
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Thank you again, @skizzosjt
I'll think a little about it then. Maybe I can wait for black friday to see some discounts. I'll return my old 14tb when I'll have copied all my data.
I have copied 50gb in more than 1 hour... Something is not working, it is for sure now.
Thank you again!