Rsmith3533 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I just installed a set of Ultimarc's GoldLeaf RGB Illuminated Pushbuttons with black caps. I'm curious if anyone else has used these buttons and is getting the same coloring issues I'm having. My white is showing as more of a teal/blue color, especially compared to my trackball and non-RGB buttons. Everything is attached to an IPAC ultimate. Hopefully the attached picture will show what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I don't have the black caps, but the same buttons otherwise. I do see the same slight teal on some of the buttons when on white. Out of 20 buttons, about 16 show that hue while only 4 are pure white. My trackball never gets that white either, but it could be the ball I have. I remember there was 2 transparent options when I bought it. (Luckily it's not an issue since I don't like the look of white buttons and use different colors, even if the original machine had them.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, Headrush69 said: I don't have the black caps, but the same buttons otherwise. I do see the same slight teal on some of the buttons when on white. Out of 20 buttons, about 16 show that hue while only 4 are pure white. My trackball never gets that white either, but it could be the ball I have. I remember there was 2 transparent options when I bought it. (Luckily it's not an issue since I don't like the look of white buttons and use different colors, even if the original machine had them.) Thanks for the reply. I usually don't care for the white buttons either but in some games I do. My trackball is a transparent white on its own, so I imagine that will make a difference. Red, blue, and green colors are spot on but anything beyond those is usually off. I can't get a true orange or yellow either. I've reached out Andy at Ultimarc but haven't gotten a response yet. Not a real big deal, just thought it was odd compared to other buttons I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Gimpy said: Have you got the extra voltage option enabled in the Winipac settings? It may be that the buttons need a higher voltage. My credit buttons require a higher voltage and if i don’t have that enabled in WinIPAC they just sort of light a dull almost greyish colour Thanks Gimpy. I did try enabling that option, but unfortunately there wasn't any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotakid94 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I am in the process of designing my cabinet and was going to use those buttons so I am hoping it is just a problem that can be fixed and not a design flaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 8:50 PM, Rsmith3533 said: My trackball is a transparent white on its own, so I imagine that will make a difference. Red, blue, and green colors are spot on but anything beyond those is usually off. I can't get a true orange or yellow either. I think my is called the translucent color. I can get those other colors OK, I just can't get a pure white. I guess it's a trade off depending on the material used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 hours ago, kotakid94 said: I am in the process of designing my cabinet and was going to use those buttons so I am hoping it is just a problem that can be fixed and not a design flaw. I never got the problem solved, I still have the teal color for white. I reached out to Andy at Ultimarc but never got a response. 1 hour ago, Headrush69 said: I think my is called the translucent color. I can get those other colors OK, I just can't get a pure white. I guess it's a trade off depending on the material used. I guess mine would be considered translucent also, not transparent, but I do get a true white out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotakid94 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Wow I guess I'll have to find different buttons that show true colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitznFish Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) I'm running 28 gold leaf rgb's and an ultimarc iPac UIO. Can't say I noticed anything like this. Edited September 10, 2020 by CitznFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 I wish I could figure out what the problem is - it doesn't seem to be a common issue I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1015eclipse Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I have 42 buttons just purchased in Dec. I am not seeing the valence in the white that you are seeing. These buttons aren't as bright as others but it was a trade off for the gold leaf switches. I had one go bad during installation but it was a wire pulled loose which is fixable. The handles on the servo sticks are definitely not as bright and have a magenta hue to the white. The trackball is not a bright white but it stills good and love that I can change the color scheme on the fly. Will upload pictures later. On 9/10/2020 at 8:15 PM, Rsmith3533 said: I wish I could figure out what the problem is - it doesn't seem to be a common issue I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenhawk2087 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I'm assuming that the teal color is do to the color mixing of the LED's. There is no dedicated white LED, all 3 LED's are on to make white but as you can see it's an imperfect solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 I have recently lost my bright white lighting on my trackball, and it now has that same teal color that my buttons have had since the beginning. Strange since it was white until now. Still wonder if it's a setting somewhere that I'm missing or got changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrofrogg Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 What's the best source for these kind of components currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 hours ago, Retrofrogg said: What's the best source for these kind of components currently? I purchased most of my buttons and joysticks from Ultimarc.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhBoy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Your buttons are RGB so they combine red blue and green to create white. Your trackball is white and used a white LED to create white. If you want RGB buttons that are true white you will need either RGBW or RGBWW LEDs, which contain a dedicated white LED. RGBWW contain two dedicated white LEDs, one warm and one cool, allowing even greater control over the white color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 5 hours ago, OhBoy said: Your buttons are RGB so they combine red blue and green to create white. Your trackball is white and used a white LED to create white. If you want RGB buttons that are true white you will need either RGBW or RGBWW LEDs, which contain a dedicated white LED. RGBWW contain two dedicated white LEDs, one warm and one cool, allowing even greater control over the white color. I appreciate the explanation, however this is not entirely true in my case. The lighting kit for my trackball does not have a dedicated white LED. I even purchased a 2nd identical one and once installed, it produced the same results. I also installed 2 RGB illuminated joystick handles, and they produce a color closer to white than all my other RGB's. I've attached 2 photos showing how white the trackball used to be, and what it currently is. I've reached out to Andy at Ultimarc, however he didn't really have an explanation other than it could be software related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Rsmith3533 said: Are you sure that the red LED hasn't failed? I had that on my LED ball joysticks once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsmith3533 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Headrush69 said: Are you sure that the red LED hasn't failed? I had that on my LED ball joysticks once. Yes I'm sure. I replaced it with a new unit just in case, same result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Rsmith3533 said: Yes I'm sure. I replaced it with a new unit just in case, same result. With LB off, can you properly get the white using the LEDBlinky software alone? Just trying to isolate whether it's LB or something in LEDBlinky. If you backup and than replace the LEDBlinky config files as original, does the problem disappear. Turning on debugging should also tell us what information is being used to set the colors and where it's coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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