Xpendable Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jason Carr said: @Xpendable That's basically what we do already... Not exactly, but the end result would be the same. Yeah, after I posted this, it occurred to me that's probably pretty close to what you are already doing. No, I haven't had a chance to update yet. I didn't realize the update was available already. I will try it sometime over the next few days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallmachine Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Jason Carr said: Have you guys tested the latest beta? I believe it should solve any prior issues. It landed on VM Labs Nuon for me which it never has before. I just let it run for a little haven't had time to fully check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpendable Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 I've updated to the latest beta (11.3.beta 12). I haven't had a chance to watch it for any length of time, but it seems much better so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallmachine Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) @Jason Carr Below was my second attempt at recording the list as the first file got corrupt on USB but from memory it basically did the cycle the same except different games and platforms. For example Type X+ first showed Battle Gear 4, three times in a row and for the dupe Platform it was Super Famicom also from memory it seems it did the dupe Games and Platform roughly at the same cycle, probably just a coincidence. Enters Taito Type X+ (5 Games): Battle Gear 4 Mobile Suit Gundam: Spirits Of Zeon Mobile Suit Gundam: Spirits of Zeon Mobile Suit Gundam: Spirits of Zeon Won!tertainment Music Channel Exits Enters Sega 32X (34 Games): Mortal Kombat II WWF RAW Amazing Spider-Man, The: Web Of Fire Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure Exits Enters Hector HRX (59 Games): Balade Dans Paris Formule 1 Dedale Cow-Boys Exits Nintendo WiiWare (454 Games): Bloons Flowerworks Lostwinds Pong Toss Pro: Frat Party Games Exits Enters Atari 2600 (664 Games): Cakewalk General Re-Treat Karate Realsports Football Solaris Exits Enters WoW Action Max (5 Games): Blue Thunder Hydrosub: 2021 Sonic Fury Blue Thunder .38 Ambush Alley Exits Enters SuperGrafx (5 Games): Battle Ace 1941: Counter Attack Dai Makaimura Madou Ou Granzort Exits Enters VM Labs Nuon (11 Games): The Next Tetris Amaze Ballistic Iron Soldier 3 Games + Demos Exits Enters Nintendo 64DD (11 Games): Mario Artist Communication Kit Mario Artist Paint Studio Mario Artist Paint Studio Super Mario 64 Exits Enters Nintendo 64DD (11 Games): Mario Artist Talent Studio Dezaemon DD Doshin The Giant Doshin the Giant Tinkling Toddler Liberation Front! Assemble (Japan) F-Zero X Expansion Kit F-Zero X Expansion Kit Mario Artist Communication Kit Dezaemon DD Dezaemon DD Exits Enters ColecoVision (140 Games): Gyruss Squish 'Em Sam! Brain Strainers Super Action Soccer Memory Manor Super Action Soccer Donkey Kong JR Mr DO!'s Castle Exits Enters Taito Type X3 (4 Games): Puzzle & Dragons: Battle Tournament Puzzle & Dragons: Battle Tournament Ultra Street Fighter IV Puzzle & Dragons: Battle Tournament Exits Enters Commodore Max Machine (15 Games): Jupiter Lander Jupiter Lander Lemans Mole Attack Clowns Mole Attack Exits Edited August 13, 2020 by wallmachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 @wallmachine Keep in mind that the fewer games there are in the current list, the more likely the random selector will end up picking the same game, so it's expected for small lists of games. So even though sometimes "random" picks aren't what you would want, I think the only way to improve on the current system would be to make it not random, or force not landing on a previously selected game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallmachine Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Just another example, the wheel rarely scrolls upwards, majority is a downwards cycle. Sega Genesis (942 Games) Snake Rattle Streets Of Rage Tommy Lasorda Baseball Wayne'S World Aa Harimanada Batman Bulls Versus Blazers And The NBA Playoffs Jungle Strike Prince Of Persia Saint Sword Spider-Man Worms Bass Masters Classic Cannon Fodder Double Double: The Playoff Edition Gouketsuji Ichizoku Jewel Master Fido Dido Magic School Bus, The Monster World Iv Ooze, The Rent A Hero Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Crossroads Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition Aerobiz Supersonic Bulls Vs Lakers And The NBA Playoffs J. League Pro Striker Liberty Or Death NBA Action '95 Starring David Robinson Race Drivin' Team USA Basketball Undead Line Chou Kyuukai Miracle Nine Double Clutch Phantasy Star II: Rudder'S Adventure Ristar Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Crossroads Urban Strike Arnold Palmer Tournament Golf WWF Super Wrestlemania Arnold Palmer Tournament Golf Beyond Oasis Chi Chi'S Pro Challenge Golf Dragon'S Revenge Jordan Vs Bird MLBPA Baseball Olympic Gold Pit-Fighter Road Rash Ii Spider-Man Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition World Series Baseball '95 Air Diver Dino Dini's Soccer F-15 Strike Eagle Ii Jammit Mickey's Ultimate Challenge Pele! Shinobi III: Return Of The Ninja Master NBA Hang Time Panorama Cotton Spot Goes To Hollywood Trampoline Terror! Exo Squad Grind Stormer Jeopardy!: Deluxe Edition Nightmare Circus Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Putter Golf Street Fighter II: Special Championship Edition Waterworld Arcade Classics College Football's National Championship Doki Doki Penguin Land General Chaos Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament Robocop 3 Sonic The Hedgehog 2 Super Skidmarks Tony La Russa Baseball World Series Baseball '95 Valis III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Thanks @wallmachine. Looking pretty good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpendable Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 Jason, Assuming a platform has more than 1 game, is it possible to add a rule if the next title is the same as the previous title to select again? It's weird that the wheel would spin and land on exactly the same game back-to-back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallmachine Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Jason Carr said: @wallmachine Keep in mind that the fewer games there are in the current list, the more likely the random selector will end up picking the same game, so it's expected for small lists of games. So even though sometimes "random" picks aren't what you would want, I think the only way to improve on the current system would be to make it not random, or force not landing on a previously selected game. Just wondering if something would be put in place for like top 50, top 100 sets as it ends up on the same game more often than not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 We can revisit this at some point, but we'd be looking at major changes in order to make it not completely random and force not landing on previous entries, so I'm going to put that off for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garrett521 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/14/2020 at 11:19 AM, Jason Carr said: We can revisit this at some point, but we'd be looking at major changes in order to make it not completely random and force not landing on previous entries, so I'm going to put that off for now. Jason, this topic came up a year ago, and I noticed it was not an option on the last poll. Just wondering if this item ever got looked into or if this is still on your list of things to tackle in the future. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) Apologies for raising an older thread, but it seemed silly to start a new one - has anybody continued to have this issue? I can do a similar comparison list to earlier in this thread if it helps, but my attract mode will constantly land on the same games consistently (even the same games between times powered on), almost like its drawing from a much smaller list than my actual overall library. I have had a look at my Attract Mode settings and can't see anything that jumps out, but it honestly feels like my attract mode pulls from any of about 25 games on my cab rather than the 300 or so that are on there. I understand how 'random' works and stuff, but it still feels as though I get a selection of games that doesn't feel like it's working as intended Edited August 22, 2022 by Gimpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcader Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Yeah it's not very random or at least there aren't any safeguards to prevent seeing lots of doubles or triples within a single attract mode sequence. I wish attract mode kept a list of games already landed on and then skip over them by 1 either ahead or behind if they have already played so that eventually it could fully cycle through all the games. More like a running playlist than a rng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpy Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) Yeah I dunno why, because it’s a relatively minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but it drives me absolutely crazy - it’s weird as well because it feels like it’s the same games that come up constantly, even across different times the machine is turned on. I don’t think I’d mind nearly as much if it was different repeats every time I powered on, but it feels like it runs through the same 20/500 games like 50% of the time. Edited November 21, 2022 by Gimpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Beats Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 What you're asking for isn't randomness. What you're asking for is a predetermined value selected based on previous selections. Random would have repeats as you are seeing, the latter wouldn't (which is what you're asking for). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvaderJim Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 8:47 AM, C-Beats said: What you're asking for isn't randomness. What you're asking for is a predetermined value selected based on previous selections. Random would have repeats as you are seeing, the latter wouldn't (which is what you're asking for). My Christmas wish is for a non-repeating list in random order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fursphere Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Personally, I'd like the perception of randomness at the cost of true randomness. Meaning, I'd like the attract mode to show me more of what I haven't seen. And I completely understand without a database backing up what has been shown, this would be tricky, if not impossible. And it would cost additional cpu cycles (time). I doubt it worth the effort in the bigger picture. I think the "not going backwards" and/or "not starting from the beginning" would go a long way though. On super small lists - like under 20 or something - you could have an option to just increment by 1 or 2 places instead of a random spin that often ends up on the same entry. (meaning the random 'roll' will pick the number 1 or 2 to move the wheel forward that many places) Anyway, thanks! Fun to think about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpy Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 2:47 PM, C-Beats said: What you're asking for isn't randomness. What you're asking for is a predetermined value selected based on previous selections. Random would have repeats as you are seeing, the latter wouldn't (which is what you're asking for). Yeah I think everyone understands this isn’t true randomness, but I also refuse to believe this is working as truly intended - the way it currently works doesn’t feel random either? I don’t mind repeats at all, but my attract mode constantly repeats the same games on over and over. if I can predict which pool of 20 games it’s going to throw up at me out of a list of about 500, then it’s not random either. At the moment it feels like a metronome wavering back and forth between 2 zones more than something that could land anywhere (even on repeats) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus_cl Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 On 12/2/2022 at 7:44 AM, Gimpy said: Yeah I think everyone understands this isn’t true randomness, but I also refuse to believe this is working as truly intended - the way it currently works doesn’t feel random either? I don’t mind repeats at all, but my attract mode constantly repeats the same games on over and over. if I can predict which pool of 20 games it’s going to throw up at me out of a list of about 500, then it’s not random either. At the moment it feels like a metronome wavering back and forth between 2 zones more than something that could land anywhere (even on repeats) I feel the same whenever I let BigBox run the attract mode, it doesn't seem random at all, it's more like the wheel goes back and forth between the same value. Maybe an option to select a set number of jumps, lets say 5, then 3, then 10, then 8, and so on, it wouldn't be random, but it will cover the game list way better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpy Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 9:37 PM, exodus_cl said: I feel the same whenever I let BigBox run the attract mode, it doesn't seem random at all, it's more like the wheel goes back and forth between the same value. Maybe an option to select a set number of jumps, lets say 5, then 3, then 10, then 8, and so on, it wouldn't be random, but it will cover the game list way better. Yeah weirdly enough yesterday I actually sat down and just let the wheel spin 100 times and watched it - out of a pool of over 600 games, it span 100 times and pulled up a game it had already shown 41 times. Interestingly, it didn't repeat once for the first 35 times and then it was like once it had a pool of games to repeat, it just constantly landed on one it had already shown - 3 different games actually got shown 3 times. I think there is possibly something to what you said about it moving back and forth within a set number as well, because not only do games repeat, but it feels like the same pool of games always shows up, like there are some games I never ever see, and then some I can probably bet on with certainty will show up within the first 30 or so spins I understand how random works, but it feels like maybe it shouldn't actually be random then, as a less random solution would probably make it appear more random 😅 I appreciate this probably isn't a high priority thing, but it's basically the only thing about my setup that bugs me haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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