neil9000 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, DOS76 said: So wait was this even rejected or you are complaining about getting one downvote? He didnt submit it, someone else did and he wants to reject it. I disagree personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Look, i'm really not going to get into a debate about this but if you were talking about official art work I would 100% agree with you but when it comes to media clearly labeled as "fanart" and something as generic as a Mortal Kombat logo then I simply do not care. As far as I am concerned 90% of the "fanart" is pure trash and a waste of drive space which is why I stopped scraping for it a long time ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOS76 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 that's not how it reads to me but I guess its a little confusing I thought it was about submissions he has made receiving one downvote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RULLUR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, DOS76 said: So wait was this even rejected or you are complaining about getting one downvote? I think someone is just going in and voting against everything and messing stuff up is what I'm saying. That MK9 logo in MK3 screenshot where they voted against it being deleted was proof that we got someone doing crap like that. All it does is make everyone take longer to get the proper content in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RULLUR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lordmonkus said: Look, i'm really not going to get into a debate about this but if you were talking about official art work I would 100% agree with you but when it comes to media clearly labeled as "fanart" and something as generic as a Mortal Kombat logo then I simply do not care. As far as I am concerned 90% of the "fanart" is pure trash and a waste of drive space which is why I stopped scraping for it a long time ago. That's why there are people like me working hard trying to clean it up. I really hope we come to the day where we care about Backgrounds as much as Cover Art and everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil9000 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, RULLUR said: That MK9 logo in MK3 screenshot where they voted against it being deleted was proof that we got someone doing crap like that. No, it just means that moderator thought it was a suitable fanart image for that game, as do i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOS76 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 well I mean that person could just have a different opinion than you and they don't think it should be deleted. Someone with a different opinion doesn't equal a troll. I really think you are taking this a little to far buddy just relax a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, RULLUR said: I really hope we come to the day where we care about Backgrounds as much as Cover Art and everything else. No, because "fanart" is very subjective. The end user can download it if they like and they can choose to use it if the like it or not use it if they think it's shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RULLUR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I really don't know how else to explain it, but all day I've seen 1 vote No on everything I uploaded, and then to see something from another game that obviously doesn't belong get voted against on being deleted just made me really go "Yeah, we really got a troll going on here". Like who sits there all day passing out No to everyone no matter what it is? Like what's the point of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOS76 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 you have no proof that they are even being voted against by the same person. You sound a little paranoid there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Ok well if you legit think it's a troll give better evidence to support your claim because this MK example is just poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RULLUR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lordmonkus said: No, because "fanart" is very subjective. The end user can download it if they like and they can choose to use it if the like it or not use it if they think it's shit. We might as well stop calling is Fanart then. I mean I know we're supposed to be putting things in that have to only do with that game title, and no stuff with the game's logo text that clash with Clear Logos. Like if we keep being careless on something like MK9 stuff in MK3, then we're basically making it okay for people to have Super Mario World 64 art in the original Donkey Kong Arcade game because "well, Mario is in the game, so whatever". Like it just makes no sense to me. I try my best to even make sure Backgrounds match with the Platform version's artwork and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOS76 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Fanart can be a painting of Mario it doesn't have to be game subjective that's where you are confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 But there is nothing about that background that specifically says it is MK9, there is no number or characters to say it is or isn't. It's just a bog standard MK logo. Just because you don't want to use it for MK3 that does not mean someone else won't use it for that game. Again, it's fan art and subjective and again, I am not debating this. Either come with real evidence of trolling and let Jason deal with it or give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RULLUR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I wasn't asking for a debate or to be bombarded. I was simply trying to state something ain't going right that was being counter-productive towards my efforts to clean up the Backgrounds within our Database, yet all I got was further hassle and confusion handed back at me. I shouldn't have to strain things further in proof that nearly everything I've uploaded had at least 1 vote against it as if someone just sits there all day voting No on anything anyone Uploads. That 1 vote No just holds up the line in people trying to get their stuff in the Database because then we have to wait even longer on extra votes to get things in over than 1 careless vote of No just for the sake of someone's sick joke. I got way too many things I Upload each day to sit here and screencapture every single result from them. I should just say there's a problem and go back to Uploading until I go and tend to personal matters away from the computer in the little time I have to do it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Well you aren't making your point very clear. You post a Mortal Kombat picture submitted by someone else and you say it shouldn't be allowed but then you go on to complain about other people not voting for your submissions. This is very mixed messaging. You say you don't have time and "shouldn't have to strain things in further proof" but you are the one making a claim of "trolling" against you. Come with evidence of it, you think we have time and want "the strain" to go looking for evidence of trolling towards you ? 1 vote against you is not evidence of trolling, just someone with a difference of opinion but if you can show there is clear trolling then we can forward it to Jason and he will do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RULLUR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 What I don't get is I say something seems fishy, but getting a reaction as if it was me saying something personally offensive towards some of you. Sorry, but I'm not that guy. I'm not here to cause trouble are test you guys' patience like some may do. I have way more respect for you all and what you do, so I'd appreciate it if you would really exempt me from the rudeness. You may not care about Backgrounds, but that doesn't mean I'm your enemy in any way at all for trying to make them better for our Database or that I may passionately care about them more than any of you either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil9000 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, RULLUR said: What I don't get is I say something seems fishy, but getting a reaction as if it was me saying something personally offensive towards some of you. No, what is being said is if you think that you are being singled out by a troll on the database that you need to provide evidence of it. Just because you get rejections on your submissions doesnt mean you are being targeted, it just means that someone doesnt think the image you submitted is suitable. How is that any different at all to you coming into this thread with the MK image and singling out that submitter and calling them a troll, because they believe this particular image is fine. You can not complain that you are being singled out by a database moderator, and then turn round and single out a database submitter, that is the very definition of a hypocrite. Provide some proof, or please forget about it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 All I am saying is if you really suspect trolling show us evidence to back it up. I may not care personally about fanart images but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't be a part of the DB. I do think though that they are very subjective and open to interpretation as to what should and shouldn't allowed. Using the Mortal Kombat one as an example, if that image had things in it like a number or characters from other games then of course it shouldn't be allowed but as it is shown it is a pretty generic Mortal Kombat image and fits with MK3 just fine even if the stylized dragon is from MK9. We have the DB moderation setup with several people voting on things and not just one person making a decision to help combat any "trolling" issues and in the past certain blatant trolls have been removed from the DB moderation team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RULLUR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 minute ago, neil9000 said: No, what is being said is if you think that you are being singled out by a troll on the database that you need to provide evidence of it. Just because you get rejections on your submissions doesnt mean you are being targeted, it just means that someone doesnt think the image you submitted is not suitable. How is that any different at all to you coming into this thread with the MK image and signalling out that submitter and calling them a troll, because they believe this particular image is fine. You can not complain that you are being singled out by a database moderator, and then turn round and single out a database submitter, that is the very definition of a hypocrite. Provide some proof, or please forget about it and move on. Never did I state I was being targeted either, but what I am saying is whoever they are is likely doing this to EVERYONE. Again, please exempt me from the rudeness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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