rexryan Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Yuzu is being sued by Nintendo ..What's your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bundangdon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Wow, didn't think this was real until I did a quick search. Here's a link to the article https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/27/24085075/nintendo-switch-emulator-yuzu-lawsuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexryan Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, bundangdon said: Wow, didn't think this was real until I did a quick search. Here's a link to the article https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/27/24085075/nintendo-switch-emulator-yuzu-lawsuit that's just the beginning there are full sites with the entire docket that Nintendo has filed against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexryan Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 interesting read... https://www.scribd.com/document/709016504/Nintendo-of-America-Inc-v-Tropic-Haze-LLC-1-24-Cv-00082-No-1-D-R-I-Feb-26-2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiddenpalm Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Quote First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller My opinion is community. I believe the little child in us all, brings us all together. I think such efforts like Yuzu should be done in countries like Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Brazil, Mexico, Chile, or even Colombia. But mostly Venezuela. Since Japan hasn't recognized their government since 2019, Venezuelan business ventures are free to do what they wish with Japan's digital property and interpret it their own way. Also, I don't believe the Latin American retro gaming community has been marketted to enough. And the US sanctions against Venezuela, no longer have the strengh it used to since most Latin American nations have reopened thier doors to Venezuelan trade and business. Which means, a business like Yuzu in Venezuela can sell to most American nations, except maybe the US, Canada, El Salvador, and now Argentina. A subsidiary in another country would possibly be able to sell to the US. In such independent countries, ideas like Yuzu can flourish and would be welcomed warmly. Or Yuzu can fight it. Either way, I believe the community needs a base in the Caribbean beaches of Venezuela for longevity, with an office in Colombia to do business transactions with the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Hiddenpalm said: My opinion is community. I believe the little child in us all, brings us all together. I think such efforts like Yuzu should be done in countries like Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Brazil, Mexico, Chile, or even Colombia. But mostly Venezuela. Since Japan hasn't recognized their government since 2019, Venezuelan business ventures are free to do what they wish with Japan's digital property and interpret it their own way. Also, I don't believe the Latin American retro gaming community has been marketted to enough. And the US sanctions against Venezuela, no longer have the strengh it used to since most Latin American nations have reopened thier doors to Venezuelan trade and business. Which means, a business like Yuzu in Venezuela can sell to most American nations, except maybe the US, Canada, El Salvador, and now Argentina. A subsidiary in another country would possibly be able to sell to the US. In such independent countries, ideas like Yuzu can flourish and would be welcomed warmly. Or Yuzu can fight it. Either way, I believe the community needs a base in the Caribbean beaches of Venezuela for longevity, with an office in Colombia to do business transactions with the world. Emulators aren't businesses though outside of some rare cases so "setting up shop" in Venezuela is not something that can happen. Emulators are typically developed by hobbyists working in their spare time. Nintendo while easy to beat up over some of their policies are generally pretty fair to the emulator community despite their anti emulation propaganda. The fact that this is gone to a full blown law suit leads me to believe they have actual proof that the Yuzu devs did break copyright laws here. Yes, emulators can be developed in an illegal way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiddenpalm Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, Lordmonkus said: Emulators aren't businesses though outside of some rare cases so "setting up shop" in Venezuela is not something that can happen. Emulators are typically developed by hobbyists working in their spare time. Nintendo while easy to beat up over some of their policies are generally pretty fair to the emulator community despite their anti emulation propaganda. The fact that this is gone to a full blown law suit leads me to believe they have actual proof that the Yuzu devs did break copyright laws here. Yes, emulators can be developed in an illegal way. I agree. I was thinking in those rare cases, though. And not just about emulation. Colombia last year, I believe, had the biggest programming course with the most attendants in programming history. There is a work force and a market there yet to be tapped to its fullest potential. And the country next door is a good place to be out of the reach of countries like Japan, when doing things Japanese businesses might not like. Until of course international relations come to an agreement again. Just something to keep in mind, in case folks wake up one day with wild aspirations. There are... options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexryan Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 Agree there the lawsuit is brining up Atmosphere as we now a switch console hack and Hekate...So it's pretty serious Git hub stuff show DmCA shutdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 But there is no business in emulation development so there is no need to setup in countries out of reach of Japan law. Like I said, emu devs are hobbyist devs who have regular jobs in whatever country they are living in, they have zero reason or incentive to leave that country to go to a country like Venezuela which is not somewhere most people would want to live. Emulation when done legally companies like Nintendo leave the devs alone. I haven't seen Nintendo going after Ryujinx though admittedly I have not been paying attention. You also don't see Nintendo going after other Nintendo emulator devs, there is a reason for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexryan Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 (edited) From what i read latest Zelda got released early and yuzu subscription (Patreon) soared making money and worked from day 1.. Also i didnt know that Yuzu tracks what game you play without you knowing so they can fix the most popular games..Sneaky.. Edited February 28 by rexryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugswang Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 If Yuzu gets closed down another will take it's place ... They are wasting their time and money trying to get anything closed down on the internet. The more they fight against it, the more the developers see it as a challenge. Give it up Nintendo .... it's getting embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiddenpalm Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 For those who want to help Yuzu and worried of other dev projects are at risk either because of working on Nintendo emulation or because other companies like Sony might follow up after a verdict is made against Yuzu - hopefully not. We're being asked to contact the EFF to represent Yuzu. If Yuzu loses, the community wonders who could be next. https://www.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/s/IrPY6Af5zE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skizzosjt Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 well there was that fiasco with Dolphin not being released onto Steam. with some arguments stating the, I think it's considered decryption keys (don't quote me on this) were included in the emulator for Wii games. The article calls it "Wii common key" So they (Nintendo) are again citing the same offense. Anti-circumvention.....yet at same time allege they (Yuzu) didn't steal any keys. The anti-circumvention argument has some merit with Dolphin, which I personally think they (Nintendo) would loose in court. So this Yuzu ordeal sounds like it has even less merit on the anti-circumvention complaint. I think this has more to do with this conspiring....Aren't they gearing up for a Switch 2 release? If users can keep gaming through illegal means, less incentive to buy the newest console. Also some high profile games got leaked recently like Super Mario RPG was on the web several days, if not weeks before release. That kind of stuff they see as cutting into their bottom line. Nintendo is a business and like any business, they don't sell video games, or consoles, or services. They are in the business of making money. If they don't make money, no business exists. They could have went after Yuzu or the other Switch emulator Ryujinx years ago. Why now? Well, that's why I think now. But lets be real, that problem starts from within. Unless they got hacked, they have people working for them that are willing to sneak copyrighted and NDA software out of their facilities and studios and put it on the web for millions to obtain. Worry about that, Nintendo! Frankly Nintendo's argument could go after programs like LaunchBox / Big Box. They argue the software promotes and facilitates piracy. I've read the threads about Pay Pal regarding LaunchBox / Big Box not being able to do business due to the same exact view point. So, be careful for what you wish for if you're thinking Nintendo is in the right here. It will set the precedent to argue that software like frontends that promote and facilitate the use of illegal emulation, hence piracy, are just as bad and should be subject to lawsuits too. Frankly, dumber laws have been passed. If you want to keep being a fan of emulation, and in part, frontends, do not side or sympathize with Nintendo here. Period. Quote and linking to websites that help users “obtain and further distribute the prod.keys.” I would take offense to that. Where the hell does Yuzu actually link to the product keys?! or even the websites that host said links?! That seems like a flat out lie rather than a skewed opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparky Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 With the up coming court case, Nintendo vs Yuzu, could mean the End of Emulation. Nintendo is tying to prove that Emulation, encourages Piracy and their company is losing money because of it. This is typical Ninendo, they have tried to get Rom Sites hosting their Roms shut down, but that hasnt realy worked, so they are now going after Emulation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmonkus Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Yes, this is totally the end of emulation just like how there are no more rom sites after Nintendo sued that one rom site a couple years back. OH WAIT !!!! ROM SITES STILL EXIST This fear mongering is just so stupid. Emulation legality is set precedent, Nintendo cannot change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparky Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) As stated in the Report that has been placed "Nintendo's lawsuit, if successful in court, could set a new precedent that would have worrisome and far-reaching implications for pretty much every other emulator developer out there." There also further reports, stating they are also going after PPSSPP. Link to one of the reports: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/02/how-strong-is-nintendos-legal-case-against-switch-emulator-yuzu/ Link to Court Papers Issued by Ninendo: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24444407-nintendo-sues-yuzu-emulator Edited February 29 by Asparky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skizzosjt Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 2/27/2024 at 8:24 PM, rexryan said: Also i didnt know that Yuzu tracks what game you play without you knowing so they can fix the most popular games..Sneaky.. completely optional. you can choose to not opt into it. I always have it disabled. nothing sneaky about that. they ask you at setup of the emulator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparky Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 The end has Happened, Yuzu and Citra are dead. Watch the Other Emulators slowly go now!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexryan Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 Shut them both down and gave 2.4million, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asparky Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) The Clones have started already. It looks like Nintendo have shot themselves in the foot.......LOL On a side note, watch out for Malware in those Clones... Edited March 6 by Asparky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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