Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, andyco47 said: wot in 5 mins of 10.14 version The update had been out for an hour by the time that score was achieved. I just checked. 6 minutes ago, GreenGriffon said: I'm not saying people are cheating. ...but people are cheating ? Please don't spread crap like this. It just creates unnecessary drama, and we don't need it. If you have proof of cheating, let me know. But I don't want to hear speculation that there's cheating just because of a high score posted. That's ridiculous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 i just did on moon patrol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, andyco47 said: i just did on moon patrol You just cheated? Are you kidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) no just to test it out. Edited April 22, 2020 by andyco47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, andyco47 said: no Exactly what did you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 with dip switches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, andyco47 said: with dip switches. Are you using official MAME? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 yes always do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil9000 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, andyco47 said: yes always do now. I dont believe you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) i change since then.i got the one of this site with nonag 220 version Edited April 22, 2020 by andyco47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 I just tested Moon Patrol with dip switch changes and my score didn't upload. So I don't currently trust that there's an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 @andyco47 If you would, please PM me your Moon Patrol .cfg file and your debug logs. I'll see if I can't take a look to see if there's something to fix. Currently, I'm pretty doubtful though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 if you run moon patrol and go into dip switch setting there is a setting were you wont get killed so play the game to get hi score then go to dip switch again and change it back to normal then play game normal and when you ave finished the game exit and your score will be on launchbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, andyco47 said: if you run moon patrol and go into dip switch setting there is a setting were you wont get killed so play the game to get hi score then go to dip switch again and change it back to normal then play game normal and when you ave finished the game exit and your score will be on launchbox. We go out of our way to prevent that. I'll review though to make sure that's not bugged. Please still send me your files so I can review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil9000 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, andyco47 said: if you run moon patrol and go into dip switch setting there is a setting were you wont get killed so play the game to get hi score then go to dip switch again and change it back to normal then play game normal and when you ave finished the game exit and your score will be on launchbox. I just tried it by setting the dip switch to invincible, got a score and turned it back off. Score failed to upload. "2020-04-22 07:55:25 PM Aborting MameHighScores.Parse: Dip switches were tampered with." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 i got same error but still uploaded score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyco47 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 pm sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Apparently Moon Patrol operates differently than most other arcade games with the dip switches. With most games, at least the ones that I tested, the dip switch settings are not updated/refreshed while a game is active. Unfortunately with Moon Patrol, dip switches are updated and immediately take affect while the current game is running. On top of that, MAME doesn't update the .cfg file while the game is running, so unfortunately, we have zero visibility to that. Sadly this means that tracking dip switch changes (for Moon Patrol specifically) is impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 So that is unfortunate. There are probably some games that are impossible to detect dip switch changes on for that reason. I don't want to give up on this whole feature though, because that would just be sad. We knew from the beginning that we'd never be able to completely eliminate hacking and cheating due to emulation. The good news is that cheating should be very difficult for the majority of games with this version, but apparently not all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 At this point, I would encourage users not to touch dip switch changes at all. We will still ban for suspect scores. As much as I wish this was a perfect system, at some point I have to move on to other things, and I'm confident that what we have is as close as we're going to be able to get to getting rid of cheating. MAME was never built to prevent that to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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