ItchyRobot Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jason Carr said: Also @ItchyRobot and @MrSco remind me what Big Box themes you're using? That may help me reproduce. I am using the 'All Night Long' theme... but I have tried just about every theme with the same results, including a couple you suggested in the past. I can't help but to wonder if it is caused by a fucked up video file. Maybe one that got screwed up mid download through Launchbox... just a complete guess. I am going to do a test tonight where I only allow attract mode to scroll through my Visual Pinball X platform. I created all those videos, so I know they all work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, ItchyRobot said: I am using the 'All Night Long' theme... but I have tried just about every theme with the same results, including a couple you suggested in the past. I can't help but to wonder if it is caused by a fucked up video file. Maybe one that got screwed up mid download through Launchbox... just a complete guess. I am going to do a test tonight where I only allow attract mode to scroll through my Visual Pinball X platform. I created all those videos, so I know they all work fine. To be honest, I'm doubtful that that's the issue, but it can't hurt to test it. I'm running some more testing to see if I can replicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallmachine Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) I'm on 16GB RAM & Intel Core i7 7700K and after some time BigBox gets sluggish and crashes even on the default theme (I've provided logs/videos in previous threads/posts). I do have just over 200 platforms and 50k games and know this was an issue a while ago then people stopped complaining about it. Probably unrelated but could be something similar like with LaunchBox when you have heaps of platforms then go to import a large platform it causes the import to take longer/work harder? in my case and others it takes MAME 2hrs when I have 200+ platforms about 30-40 seconds with a fresh copy of LaunchBox and yes, I know this has nothing to do with BigBox but if the culprit is having too many platforms/games causing the crash because BigBox is working overtime and can't keep up? MrSco how many platforms/games do you have if it's quite a bit this might be hard for Jason to rule out or replicate as from posts I've seen he mentioned he tests with PCs that have around 5k games I think it was Edited September 11, 2020 by wallmachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, wallmachine said: I'm on 16GB RAM & Intel Core i7 7700K and after some time BigBox gets sluggish and crashes even on the default theme (I've provided logs/videos in previous threads/posts). I do have just over 200 platforms and 50k games and know this was an issue a while ago then people stopped complaining about it. Probably unrelated but could be something similar like with LaunchBox when you have heaps of platforms then go to import a large platform it causes the import to take longer/work harder? in my case and others it takes MAME 2hrs when I have 200+ platforms about 30-40 seconds with a fresh copy of LaunchBox and yes, I know this has nothing to do with BigBox but if the culprit is having too many platforms/games causing the crash because BigBox is working overtime and can't keep up? MrSco how many platforms/games do you have if it's quite a bit this might be hard for Jason to rule out or replicate as from posts I've seen he mentioned he tests with PCs that have around 5k games I think it was I have about 30 platforms with like 13,000 games in total. All with video snaps and images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallmachine Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, MrSco said: I have about 30 platforms with like 13,000 games in total. All with video snaps and images. Sometimes while watching attract mode I see BigBox loose my platform images so maybe something similar happens for you? corrupt caching any one mans guess I tried deleting the BigBox cache from the folder etc no luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Jason Carr said: @MrSco It will be helpful to know whether you have the issue with those old versions. This is a slightly different fault offset number than the other error I was searching with, so that is helpful as well. I assume it was on a different system? This was the same system but new launchbox 11.5 beta version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, wallmachine said: Sometimes while watching attract mode I see BigBox loose my platform images so maybe something similar happens for you? corrupt caching any one mans guess I tried deleting the BigBox cache from the folder etc no luck Nah. Bigbox stays performant the whole time it’s running for the most part. If I scrolled the wheel too quickly, sometimes the clear logos would take a second or two to show up. I’ve purged and rebuilt the cache before and it helped But ultimately still crashes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Jason Carr said: Also @ItchyRobot and @MrSco remind me what Big Box themes you're using? That may help me reproduce. We’ve gone through the theme angle in this thread already together previously... they all crash. Default, Unified redux (my current preferred) and the color one by viking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Thanks for the responses @MrSco. For what it's worth, I do most of my testing with about 15,000 games. I did notice that I was out of date with Windows updates on a few of my test systems, so I'm updating them all to Windows 10 version 2004, just in case that happens to be related. One of them was a real pain to update because Windows update kept erroring out. I had to run both sfc /scannow multiple times and dism in order to get it to update, sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Jason Carr said: @MrSco It will be helpful to know whether you have the issue with those old versions. This is a slightly different fault offset number than the other error I was searching with, so that is helpful as well. I assume it was on a different system? I'm trying to rollback to v9.10 in the LaunchBox/Updates folder. It works for launchbox... but then i go to open bigbox and it immediately installs the latest v11.4 stable version. i turned off auto updates but still no go... how do i roll back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 9:06 PM, MrSco said: I'm trying to rollback to v9.10 in the LaunchBox/Updates folder. It works for launchbox... but then i go to open bigbox and it immediately installs the latest v11.4 stable version. i turned off auto updates but still no go... how do i roll back? @Jason Carr i got v9.10 going now. i had to move all the newer updates out of the updates folder so it wouldn't automatically update on launch. i'll let it run on my 8700/1080ti for a while and see how it does and report back. also, here's another crash from a different machine (not the NUC) using a clone of the drive.... Faulting application name: BigBox.exe, version: 11.2.0.0, time stamp: 0x5f08aebb Faulting module name: ntdll.dll, version: 10.0.19041.207, time stamp: 0xcad89ab4 Exception code: 0xc0000374 Fault offset: 0x00000000000fdec9 Faulting process id: 0x1a2c Faulting application start time: 0x01d65bad05da602b Faulting application path: H:\Arcade\LaunchBox\BigBox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll Report Id: 9973dd89-1178-44f2-95a5-2edd80b658c0 Faulting package full name: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 14 hours ago, MrSco said: @Jason Carr i got v9.10 going now. i had to move all the newer updates out of the updates folder so it wouldn't automatically update on launch. i'll let it run on my 8700/1080ti for a while and see how it does and report back. also, here's another crash from a different machine (not the NUC) using a clone of the drive.... Faulting application name: BigBox.exe, version: 11.2.0.0, time stamp: 0x5f08aebb Faulting module name: ntdll.dll, version: 10.0.19041.207, time stamp: 0xcad89ab4 Exception code: 0xc0000374 Fault offset: 0x00000000000fdec9 Faulting process id: 0x1a2c Faulting application start time: 0x01d65bad05da602b Faulting application path: H:\Arcade\LaunchBox\BigBox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll Report Id: 9973dd89-1178-44f2-95a5-2edd80b658c0 Faulting package full name: @Jason Carr I couldn't get full screen videos on games (only platforms had fullscreen videos) on version 9.10; it only would show coverflow view for game wheel no matter what view i selected (not sure if i made my data xml cranky by downgrading and upgrading versions so much) ... so i switched to v10.0 for testing where full screen videos would play on all views to make sure its truly stressing... yet another crash after about 8 hours of running on another computer (diff rig from above), running a clone of the same drive... unified redux theme... i7 8700/16gb ram/1080ti ... Faulting application name: BigBox.exe, version: 10.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x5d766db7 Faulting module name: ntdll.dll, version: 10.0.19041.488, time stamp: 0x70e69bad Exception code: 0xc0000374 Fault offset: 0x00000000000fed79 Faulting process id: 0x4734 Faulting application start time: 0x01d68a2aa6320ebe Faulting application path: H:\Arcade\LaunchBox\BigBox.exe Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll Report Id: ca1af24a-a3cd-405a-897f-0aed302bddcb Faulting package full name: Faulting package-relative application ID: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 @MrSco All good info. I don't see anything new coming to light with those new error messages, unfortunately. The fact that you are seeing the same thing with 10.0 is telling, however, as it looks like it wasn't introduced recently. I've been testing with zero crashes on all five of my testing machines since Friday. I'm gonna just ask you a bunch of questions in hopes that we can find a lead. Forgive me if I've asked any of these already: Is there anything in common on the machines that are crashing (such as a particular USB device attached or a particular piece of software that's installed)? What version of Windows 10 are all of the machines running (you can look this up easily by typing winver into the Start menu)? By some miracle, does 11.5 resolve the issue (lots of fixes did go into 11.5)? What models are the external and internal hard drives/SSDs that you're using? What file systems are you using on the drives (NTFS, exFAT, or FAT32)? I ask these not to blame any of it, but so that I might be able to determine the cause or change something in a test system in order to replicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/11/2020 at 6:05 AM, MrSco said: Just got a crash after 10 hours or so on latest 11.5 beta... Faulting application name: BigBox.exe, version: 11.5.0.4, time stamp: 0x5ee99cfc Faulting module name: ntdll.dll, version: 10.0.18362.1049, time stamp: 0xb5beef21 Exception code: 0xc0000374 Fault offset: 0x00000000000f9229 Faulting process id: 0x2640 Faulting application start time: 0x01d687b41bd94788 Faulting application path: H:\Arcade\LaunchBox\Core\BigBox.exe Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll Report Id: 3b148de2-ce76-4ee5-ab21-6d9b06637697 Faulting package full name: Faulting package-relative application ID: I'm gonna setup an old v10 build to test... maybe even v9 (this may have started with v10) 1 hour ago, Jason Carr said: @MrSco All good info. I don't see anything new coming to light with those new error messages, unfortunately. The fact that you are seeing the same thing with 10.0 is telling, however, as it looks like it wasn't introduced recently. I've been testing with zero crashes on all five of my testing machines since Friday. I'm gonna just ask you a bunch of questions in hopes that we can find a lead. Forgive me if I've asked any of these already: Is there anything in common on the machines that are crashing (such as a particular USB device attached or a particular piece of software that's installed)? What version of Windows 10 are all of the machines running (you can look this up easily by typing winver into the Start menu)? By some miracle, does 11.5 resolve the issue (lots of fixes did go into 11.5)? What models are the external and internal hard drives/SSDs that you're using? What file systems are you using on the drives (NTFS, exFAT, or FAT32)? I ask these not to blame any of it, but so that I might be able to determine the cause or change something in a test system in order to replicate. nothing too much in common between machines. bare bones fresh windows 10 x64 pro all with latest updates - version 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) see above mostly western digital my passport 3.5" usb3 hdd. couple seagate baracuda internal 3tb. and a segate usb3 3.5" external all NTFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, MrSco said: nothing too much in common between machines. bare bones fresh windows 10 x64 pro all with latest updates - version 2004 (OS Build 19041.508) see above mostly western digital my passport 3.5" usb3 hdd. couple seagate baracuda internal 3tb. and a segate usb3 3.5" external all NTFS Okay, I happen to have a My Passport as well. Gonna copy a collection over to that to test with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 @MrSco Still working on reproducing. Can you zip up and PM your LaunchBox\Data folder? Outside of media, that should put us on almost exactly the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSco Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 On 9/9/2020 at 1:38 PM, MrSco said: We've been over this already... I've tested and also my friend using a clone of my drive on a different drive ( ): Different drives (internal/external), different machines (high-end/low-end/in-between), fresh window 10 installs ... they all crash... and the one constant is BigBox.exe. you're NUC hardware argument holds no water unless you have an explanation for BigBox.exe crashing on my 8700 i7 16gb ram 1080Ti GPU. (and my buddy's gaming rig mentioned in his post). I've attached my data folder... ? I'm out of ideas... its gotta be related to the actual software on the drive(s) either the launchbox setup/settings/data or the images or videos themselvess? ... not the hardware though... that's clearly proven with the testing. Data.zip 6.03 MB · 1 download @Jason Carr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 @MrSco I'm currently testing with your data on the WD external drive. Out of curiosity, I'm wondering if perhaps there's a custom setting that could be causing the issue. Either way, I'll probably find out soon enough in my testing, but if you want to test, you can try deleting your Settings.xml and BigBoxSettings.xml files (actually probably best to just temporarily move them somewhere else, so you can get them back). I'm curious if that makes any difference. I'll let you know how my testing goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 @MrSco So I got crash, per se, but it wasn't in the way that I expected at all. Somehow the video/display just stopped updating, but I could hear Big Box still running in the background. It was stuck on a particular Big Box screen and I could hear my keypresses doing things, but the display wasn't updating. That's a weird issue that I've never seen before. I eventually killed the process and noted that the entire Windows interface was screwed up, so Windows just took a dump. I doubt that it's related to what you're seeing, unfortunately. I'm restarting the testing process over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 @MrSco It would still really help to know if deleting your Settings.xml and BigBoxSettings.xml files makes any difference for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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